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    Speaking of Waco.... Feds are going after a cattle rancher

    » Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    Ruby Ridge-style standoff brewing as Bundy says he is prepared to be killed
    Paul Joseph Watson
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    April 7, 2014

    A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.

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    Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.
    “With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.
    Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.
    “My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.
    Accusing feds of seizing Nevada’s sovereignty, Bundy says he has fought the battle legally, through the media, and is now gearing up to fight it physically.
    “Armed agents are forming a a military-like staging area to prevent anyone from approaching the area,” writes Mike Paczesny.
    Bundy asserts that his case is emblematic of how America has been transformed into a “police state,” labeling the government’s actions “pathetic”.
    Hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle on Saturday as Bundy accused them of “trespassing,” adding that the impact will only serve to raise beef prices for residents of Las Vegas 80 miles away.
    Feds postponed a similar raid in 2012 over fears the action would spur violence. Bundy has drawn a lot of support from the local community and protesters are heading to the area to demand authorities back off. Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.
    “The rights were created for us,” Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “I have the right to use the forage. I have water rights. I have access rights. I have range improvement rights, and I claim all the other rights that the citizens of Nevada have, whether it’s to camp, to fish or to go off road.”
    Addressing the justification of seizing the cattle to protect a species of tortoise, Bundy stated, “I’ll never get it. If it weren’t for our cattle, there’d be more brush fires out here. The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”
    The standoff has echoes of the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, during which Randy Weaver, accused of selling an ATF agent two illegal sawed-off shotguns, became embroiled in a tragic confrontation with the the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and the FBI, resulting in the death of Weaver’s son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.
    The story also brings back memories of New Hampshire couple Ed and Elaine Brown, who were involved in a nine month standoff with armed law enforcement and feds as a result of their refusal to pay income tax. The Browns were later convicted of “plotting to kill federal agents” because of their refusal to surrender and were both given de facto life sentences.
    In a series of YouTube videos, Cliven Bundy and his wife outline the background behind their decision to take a stand against the feds, arguing that their fight is a constitutionally-driven line in the sand to push back against the usurpation of big government.



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    If you are in Nevada; you might want to lend this guy support.


    US Forest Service is currently evaluating closing roads in the National forests under the guise that they don't have money to maintain them. What the Federal Government is doing is trying to restrict access to public lands by hook or by crook as part of creating biospheres as part of the UN Agenda 21.
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    Maybe a trip to Nevada is in order......of course, as Bob Wright said when asked by the FBI if he would muster his militia to the site of a future Waco...."Why would I do that for? There's plenty of you Federal sons of bitches right here!"
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    Son of rancher in public land dispute arrested by BLM - Las Vegas MyNews3 - KSNV

    LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3.com) -- A son of Mesquite rancher Cliven Bundy has been arrested by Bureau of Land Management rangers.

    Dave Bundy was arrested at 4:30 p.m. Sunday as he was in a car parked along State Route 170 near Mesquite.

    "He was there to do some filming when about 11 federal agents pulled up and arrested him," Clive Bundy told News 3. "They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down. We don't know where he is now."

    The BLM confirmed the arrest in an emailed statement:

    "An individual is in custody in order to protect public safety and maintain the peace," BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon wrote. "The individual has rights and therefore details about the arrest will not be disclosed until and unless charges are filed."

    Cliven Bundy is embroiled in a dispute with the BLM and National Park Service over the court-ordered removal of his cattle from 1,200 square miles of northeast Clark County. The cattle have been grazing on public land for more than 20 years since his grazing permit was revoked in 1993.

    Contracted cowboys removed 58 head of cattle Sunday in addition to the 75 impounded Saturday. The government's plan is to have all cattle removed within 30 days.

    Most of 600,000 acres of public land in the northeast part of the county has been temporarily closed to the public during the impound; the removal operation is being conducted by contracted cowboys from a company in Utah.

    The First Amendment areas are designated by the government for people to express their free speech rights about the subject.

    Small protests were held Saturday morning on one of the areas and another was held in Mesquite.

    Earlier Saturday, one of Bundy's daughter's was "harassed" by five BLM rangers while she was parked along the same road. Bundy said they threatened to give Stephey Cox several tickets and take her to court.

    He said Cox told the BLM rangers they did not have jurisdictional or arrest powers.

    "But what was bad is there was a Nevada State Highway trooper within about a hundred feet of all this action and he didn't come to help her," Bundy said. "She said I will recognize his (the trooper's) jurisdictional authority if he would just come and tell me to move or whatever and he would not come and so they harassed her for quite awhile."

    Bundy told News 3 that he hopes that Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie will step in and end the dispute and confiscation of his cattle.

    "The federal government has no jurisdiction or authority here," Bundy said. "The sheriff has unlimited constitutional authority, arresting and policing powers and all he has to do is say no and this thing would be over. Those people would back out and move out of here."

    Bundy said he was considering a possible lawsuit as another course of action.

    He did not make any more physical threats such as he made Saturday, but he did compare the action to Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas, where citizens were killed in confrontations with the federal goverment.

    "They are the same agents who killed that kid over at Red Rocks," Bundy said, referring to the Feb. 14 fatal shooting of a 20-year-old by two BLM rangers.

    In a Sunday afternoon news conference call, Lake Mead National Recreation Area spokeswoman Christie Vanover, said the government's hopes violence will be avoided.

    "We support everyone's rights to express themselves lawfully and peacefully, but when threats are made that could jeopardize the safety of the American people, the contractor and our personnel, we have the responsibility to provide law enforcement to account for their safety."

    Vanover said the cost of the impoundment action won't be know until the event is concluded. Some estimates have placed it as high as $3 million.
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    If you are on a "Committee of Safety" (Militia) as we like to say these parts this may get more intense as this just popped up in my FB feed from a reliable source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Difranco View Post
    Son of rancher in public land dispute arrested by BLM - Las Vegas MyNews3 - KSNV

    LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3.com) -- A son of Mesquite rancher Cliven Bundy has been arrested by Bureau of Land Management rangers.

    Dave Bundy was arrested at 4:30 p.m. Sunday as he was in a car parked along State Route 170 near Mesquite.

    "He was there to do some filming when about 11 federal agents pulled up and arrested him," Clive Bundy told News 3. "They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down. We don't know where he is now."

    The BLM confirmed the arrest in an emailed statement:

    "An individual is in custody in order to protect public safety and maintain the peace," BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon wrote. "The individual has rights and therefore details about the arrest will not be disclosed until and unless charges are filed."

    Cliven Bundy is embroiled in a dispute with the BLM and National Park Service over the court-ordered removal of his cattle from 1,200 square miles of northeast Clark County. The cattle have been grazing on public land for more than 20 years since his grazing permit was revoked in 1993.

    Contracted cowboys removed 58 head of cattle Sunday in addition to the 75 impounded Saturday. The government's plan is to have all cattle removed within 30 days.

    Most of 600,000 acres of public land in the northeast part of the county has been temporarily closed to the public during the impound; the removal operation is being conducted by contracted cowboys from a company in Utah.

    The First Amendment areas are designated by the government for people to express their free speech rights about the subject.

    Small protests were held Saturday morning on one of the areas and another was held in Mesquite.

    Earlier Saturday, one of Bundy's daughter's was "harassed" by five BLM rangers while she was parked along the same road. Bundy said they threatened to give Stephey Cox several tickets and take her to court.

    He said Cox told the BLM rangers they did not have jurisdictional or arrest powers.

    "But what was bad is there was a Nevada State Highway trooper within about a hundred feet of all this action and he didn't come to help her," Bundy said. "She said I will recognize his (the trooper's) jurisdictional authority if he would just come and tell me to move or whatever and he would not come and so they harassed her for quite awhile."

    Bundy told News 3 that he hopes that Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie will step in and end the dispute and confiscation of his cattle.

    "The federal government has no jurisdiction or authority here," Bundy said. "The sheriff has unlimited constitutional authority, arresting and policing powers and all he has to do is say no and this thing would be over. Those people would back out and move out of here."

    Bundy said he was considering a possible lawsuit as another course of action.

    He did not make any more physical threats such as he made Saturday, but he did compare the action to Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas, where citizens were killed in confrontations with the federal goverment.

    "They are the same agents who killed that kid over at Red Rocks," Bundy said, referring to the Feb. 14 fatal shooting of a 20-year-old by two BLM rangers.

    In a Sunday afternoon news conference call, Lake Mead National Recreation Area spokeswoman Christie Vanover, said the government's hopes violence will be avoided.

    "We support everyone's rights to express themselves lawfully and peacefully, but when threats are made that could jeopardize the safety of the American people, the contractor and our personnel, we have the responsibility to provide law enforcement to account for their safety."

    Vanover said the cost of the impoundment action won't be know until the event is concluded. Some estimates have placed it as high as $3 million.


    WTF IS A "FIRST AMENDMENT AREA"?


    You have got to be fucking kidding me........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean K. View Post

    WTF IS A "FIRST AMENDMENT AREA"?


    You have got to be fucking kidding me........
    Looks like this... Standard BLM sign / lettering:

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    The turtle use the cow paths, before cows it was Buffalo, back when 6000 sheep and hundreds of cattle were in the area the tortoises were thick and every-where, when they restrict live-stock grazing the critters die. this has been shown over and over again
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    They don't even know what the first amendment is anymore. A baker is told to make a cake for a gay wedding or face penalties. A photographer is facing penalties for refusing to shoot pics of a lesbian couple. The Men in black refuse to hear the case, leaving the photographer at the mercy of the lower court, which is merciless.

    ?A government every American should fear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean K. View Post

    WTF IS A "FIRST AMENDMENT AREA"?


    You have got to be fucking kidding me........

    The Constitution only protects rights if those rights are exercised in approved areas, at approved times, in approved ways, with the correct licenses and permits.

    Didn't you know that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAiello View Post
    The Constitution only protects rights if those rights are exercised in approved areas, at approved times, in approved ways, with the correct licenses and permits.

    Didn't you know that?
    So let me get this straight....
    I can practice my First Amendment Rights:
    In approved areas: any public area my boots are standing on
    At approved times: when my boots are standing on it
    In approved ways: when I'm openly armed
    With the correct licenses and permits: dang. That's what I've been missing. I'll attach a spare pocket Constitution to the flash suppressor.
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