Then four times came along and it seemed a leap.
A few years ago five was possible, and then pretty quickly six.
Leupold now has 8x, but IOR is claiming 10x? Wow. I think I would want to try one in person before laying out that kind of cash, even though IOR is very reputable. I'm afraid anyone who bought one would have to love it rather than admit to making a mistake if it is not very good.
You don't say what your intended application is, but if it is tactical, I think paying for 10x magnification could be money spent better elsewhere.
I'm not sure who in a tactical sense needs that kind of magnification range. 1x is great for CQB type applications, but 10x is much more for dedicated long range (800+ yards). Most carbines/rifles that can handle CQB start to suck at 600+ yards, both for the cartridge used from shorter barrels (typically < or = 7.62x51) and the accuracy potential of the weapon--not to mention that successful long range field shooters with tactical semi-autos are a lot rarer than Internet postings represent. If I needed 10x, I probably need a bolt gun with a more powerful cartridge that would be unsuited for CQB and low magnification requirements.
6x magnification makes a 600 yard target look like it is at 100 yards. That seems pretty good to me. I think it would be an extremely rare occasion that would have me trying to nail a 12" x 12" target allowing for 7-8-16' of drop at long distances from a 16" semi-auto. That's just my take on magnification.
At 600 yards drop for a 7.62x51 round is almost 8'. At 800 yards it is over 16', and by 1,000 it is dropping so fast that a miscalculation in range of a mere 40 yards (easy to do at 1,000 unknown distance field conditions) will pretty well guarantee a miss in the field, even with 10x, no matter what form of ballistic calculation is used (especially Mil-dot or a 7.62 BDC).
So so I guess the question is, "What would the application be for such a range of magnification?"
Ben, I'll get with you tomorrow about that for sure!
I don't know about the miscalculation range that will produce misses, but I do know that on the UKD range all of the targets are at 500 yards, +/- 500 yards, and I was hitting at what I ranged (mildots) as 960.
The biggest reason for bigger magnification isn't for hitting so much, it's for target ID. I got into this same conversation with a living legend in the special forces community - a sniper - many years ago. At the time, I took your position in the argument, he told me what I'm telling you. I had to learn it for myself too, so I'm for sure not judging you!
As for the BDC stuff, it's too iffy by nature, unless you do a pretty good amount of tuning ammo and working with it. Even then, it doesn't work well if you move to a significantly different elevation and such. Going from low humidity and high elevation to high humidity and low elevation gave me an error of 2.5 MOA at 1K - a clean miss. At home, the ammo was tuned to match the BDC to get reliable hits to 1K. Go figure. Now I'm into memorizing drops and adjusting for local conditions.
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To answer the question, my primary use would be hunting (mostly deer, sometimes hogs or varmints), in everything from thick cover to open fields. While a 1-6x would certainly work (and I am considering the VX-6), a 1-10x would offer even more flexibility for longer shots on game or ringing steel at 500 yds. I'm also thinking about the Elcan Specter 1.5/6x, but with any of the three I'm considering, I'll need to sell a few things in the gun safe first.
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