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    Optic suggestions needed. Long term storage, buried underground.

    Since ARs are cheap these days, I've decided create buried caches for SHTF. Assume buried in airtight / watertight container, buried 10 years or maybe longer.

    Optic requirements.

    - No Battery = Batteries die in long term storage. May not have access to battery replacements.
    - No Tritium = Looses its glow after about 10 years.
    - Should be very reliable.
    - Less than $450 dollars, cheaper is better.
    - Capable for targets close range 50 yards
    - Capable for targets medium range 600 yards

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    Millet do a pair of scopes, a 1-4 and 1-6x that would work pretty well. Alternatively go look for a used non-illuminated ACOG.

    Also consider the Burris fix magnification optics. Batteries are a option but not required for function.
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    Just a comment on your tritium requirement......
    They SAY that tritium "goes bad" after 10 years. It's not true. I can still see the dot on my shotgun and pistol in the middle of the night (pistol is about arms-length away, shotgun is about a foot past that) big-and-bold. I've got significantly longer on them than 10 years.
    One of my good friends has an old Galil, the sights still are moderately bright on them. IIRC, he's had that for about 25 years or so.

    That having been said, I think you're looking at either running a fiber-optic based illumination, or running no illumination. So if you throw an ACOG in there, you'll still have an ACOG a decade later (I could check mine and see if the tritium is still good, it's WELL past the 10 year mark) - but worst case scenario is that you just use the fiber optic. That's how my RMR works - only powered by the fiber optic. It does have some problems, but so far they've been moderately minimal.

    If it was me (and I'm not going to confirm or deny that it is me or not), you could have your cache, and keep batteries stocked to take to your cache. Buying 1/3N batteries every few years would keep you good for a decade. Or use something like an Aimpoint M4, and assume you'll be able to boot the door on a house and rob the TV remote to get some illumination going. Heck, if you wanted to go whole-hog, throw a solar recharger and some ENELOOP batteries in there with the rifle......

    That's just off the top of my head, so don't take it as my best effort (GRIN).
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    ACOGs I love them. I own them. I've broke them. But are way more than $450.

    seems like a reasonable candidate:


    WEAVER KASPA RIFLESCOPE - 1.5-6X32MM TACTICAL BALLISTIC-X RETICLE 849813
    Weaver KASPA Riflescope - 1.5-6x32mm Tactical Ballistic-X Reticle 849813 - Rifle Scopes - Optics
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    I'm thinking of the cache as self contained 100%. Supplies for 7 days of travel by foot. I'm also assuming that home base is not accessible / abandoned, everyone meets at rendezvous point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Difranco View Post
    ACOGs I love them. I own them. I've broke them. But are way more than $450.

    seems like a reasonable candidate:


    WEAVER KASPA RIFLESCOPE - 1.5-6X32MM TACTICAL BALLISTIC-X RETICLE 849813
    Weaver KASPA Riflescope - 1.5-6x32mm Tactical Ballistic-X Reticle 849813 - Rifle Scopes - Optics
    DI if you wind up pulling the trigger on that, do a review....let us know how it tracks, holds zero etc.

    I'm very curious about the 1-6< optics.....but I know there were some serious challenges just getting over 4x....so if there's a 6 or even an 8 that isn't 4K$$$ I'm very interested.
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    TexasChris. I'm currently running a Weaver Tactical 2-10x on my SCAR 17 for about a year and bounced through the hills during elk season. With about 200 - 300s plinking fun on it, and the SCAR 17 being notorious for killing optics. It's been absolutely rock solid. And for a FFP scope that was less than $700 on sale, I cannot complain.

    I expect the same from this. Weaver is owned by ATK, so manufacturing controls should be there to make it a reliable option. Lifetime warranty to boot as well.
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