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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    There's this pervasive belief that frangible projectiles will break up in tissue, sheet rock, etc. and thus solve "over penetration" issues. The fact of the matter is, all frangible projectiles range somewhere in the hard cast lead to harder than ball ammo hardness. They are designed to break up on a minimum hardness of AR 500 steel. If you're shooting rifle calibers, 3/8" thickness.

    Related to this myth is the constantly resurfacing myth that the Sky Marshals carry frangible ammo that won't penetrate aluminum aircraft hulls so if they have to shoot, everyone in the cabin won't get sucked out through the .356" diameter hole like Auric Goldfinger. the Sky Marshals have never carried frangible ammo as a duty round.

    So, if your house is completely constructed of AR 500 steel, 3/8" thick, you don't have to worry about over penetration issues - and congratulations, you're living in a ballistic shoot house! (Which might be kinda cool at first, but from the time I've spent in them, they're ovens in the summers and deep freeze boxes in the winters!)

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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    I'm a rifle shooter and if I have to grab something it will be a rifle in pistol caliber (Saving for Kriss) or my XCR in 7.62x39. The 7.62x39 is slower than 5.56 and packs a punch which is why I chose it but 5.56 is good as well but I think has a higher velocity (don't have stats infront of me right now).
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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    ha ha, yeah...no ar500 steel house for me! A lot of the companies that make frangible bullets make claims that it'll break up on any slightly hard surface, or will just penetrate one layer and thats it. Subsequently, I found on youtube a video of a guy testing some of the claims and the frangibles actually penetrated over 5 layers of sheet rock...so that was pistol ammo (9mm I think), so imagine what a rifle round would do! So you're right, not a good idea.

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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    These guys are fun to watch and a lot of good info too.
    http://www.theboxotruth.com/ I think they did a video
    on this subject some where in there stuff.
    When Mad Max comes... I'll be waiting !!!

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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    Yes! That was the video that I watched...the wallboard box of truth!

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    Cut the 308 with a cross on the top until your 1/4 from the end of the projectile reload it with 30 percent less powder and your good to go low velocity fragmenting 308s !!!! Now be smart and Bo what the gentle man said about the pistol they in some cases will still penitrate walls for god Saks don't do what I said except for now !!! A pump action short shotgun has been protecting homes forever just the sound of it racking will prevent confrontation and they will flee best bet is fill with heavy bird shot that won't penitrate walls but will take hours in the ER to remove the BBs you can keep it safe from the kids with biometric locks and it is tried tested and true

    thanks Jason!

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    If you aren't going with a pistol, I suggest a shotgun for home defense. 20ga will work, but so will 12ga with #1 buck (harder to find)- generally one of the better rounds for kill but not over penetrate.

    That said, if you aren't able to get a shotgun, then the L will work for you. Make sure you think about barrel length moving around in a house. A short barrel is best, but then you aren't able to reach out as far for hunting or target shooting. For the cost of the extra barrel you could buy a base model mossberg or 870 with a short barrel.

    *I also recommend spending the money on a decent weapon light for ANYONE using a firearm for home defence. You don't have to buy the latest and most expensive Surefire- but something made for your shotgun/pistol/rifle, with good batteries could mean the difference between a hit and a miss- or between a good shoot (bad guy) and the worst mistake you would ever make (wrong person).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjeep83 View Post
    best bet is fill with heavy bird shot that won't penitrate walls but will take hours in the ER to remove the BBs
    I disagree compeletly with you. Firearms are for lethal force. If you have to shoot someone, it's because you need them to 100% STOP, meaning disrupting the central nervous system or damaging vital organs. Birds shot WILL NOT kill someone most of the time. In close quarters it will penetrate further than hunting distances, but it is not uncommon for people to be shot and not even notice. I've seen men wounded in combat that didn't notice until 30 minutes or more later, because the adrenaline kept them moving. Add the potential for heavy drug use by an intruder, and you want something that will KILL, not wound.
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    You probably already know this, but make sure if you go with 5.56 you stay away from the M855 military rounds. The steel penetrator in those is specifically designed to defeat barriers, and will penetrate right through your walls in many cases. Stay with a soft point or lower velocity round for in your house.

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    Go with 5.56/.223 and varmint rounds. They have thin jackets, do a lot of damage and don't over penetrate. Also train, so you can shoot accurately under stress.

    Avoid low velocity rifle rounds as they wont fragment properly. Low velocity rounds require mass to generate energy, or cross section to cause expansion......back to shotgun/pistol.
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