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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyC View Post
    back to shotgun/pistol.
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    Hard for any family member to get the operation of a pump shotgun confusing. Safety off, chamber empty, pump, shoot and repeat process.
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    The most effective rounds in a shotgun are #1 buck and larger. Using birdshot - even inside the home - isn't recommended. If you think they'll stop in sheetrock and walls, try it - doesn't work. What it doe wrong is that it doesn't penetrate enough. A dude caught a load of birdshot in the chest, inside a house, and was sitting on the curb waiting when the ambulance arrived. The wound looked horrible, but was almost entirely superficial.
    Instant incapacitation? Hardly. The reason the guy stopped was because he didn't want to be shot again - if he'd been more motivated, he could have finished the job.
    Personally, I won't take that risk.
    And yes, buckshot goes through walls too, just like pistols and rifles.
    While I always carry a pistol, it's the next to last thing I want in my hands if I need to shoot someone. If you feel a shotgun isn't appropriate for your purpose, look into a carbine with the Hornady TAP round. Like Mickey said.
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    We all do realize that this is a zombie thread correct?

    Just for the record
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    In regards to shotgun shells, check out this item from Zoinker.com, it is reviewed on Gunblast at about 4:45. I suspect it would work great as a slug, not sure about sheet rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo View Post
    The most effective rounds in a shotgun are #1 buck and larger. Using birdshot - even inside the home - isn't recommended. If you think they'll stop in sheetrock and walls, try it - doesn't work. What it doe wrong is that it doesn't penetrate enough. A dude caught a load of birdshot in the chest, inside a house, and was sitting on the curb waiting when the ambulance arrived. The wound looked horrible, but was almost entirely superficial.
    Instant incapacitation? Hardly. The reason the guy stopped was because he didn't want to be shot again - if he'd been more motivated, he could have finished the job.
    Personally, I won't take that risk.
    And yes, buckshot goes through walls too, just like pistols and rifles.
    While I always carry a pistol, it's the next to last thing I want in my hands if I need to shoot someone. If you feel a shotgun isn't appropriate for your purpose, look into a carbine with the Hornady TAP round. Like Mickey said.
    And #1 Buck, IIRC....is similar in over penetration to most pistol rounds since the .30 cal pellets retain their energy. A frangible or light jacketed 5.56 will break up much more quickly upon impact and still penetrate most level IIIA soft armor.
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    Hey Acco i bout a turkish pistol 12 it holds 9 heavy steel shot say 27 pellet 229 pellet in the face and neck it don't matter if you feel like killing someone there probably going to Di on the table any way and there retard friends are not going to help when there buddies eyes have been replaced with lead i mean don't use slugs that's all i understand what stopping power is I'm a collector and i got three daughters if someone came in to hurt them i would cause pain i wouldn't blow there brains out shoot all extremities off that's a lesson we forgot to teach when we became a civilized society and one last thing I have to lay here and do what ever try want me to do while they do there pleasures to the females in my life if I cut him it's 7 years for me if I shoot him I go away forever then who raises my family if he wants me I must surrender you see guy I live in Canada the criminal is protected if he slips on your steps after he can sue !!! We are in the process of buying a home in the Dominican Republic or Bermuda by a little fortrice don't get me wrong I'd kill and run right after Johnny my nebo u r dumps the bodies we are all lambs being lead to the slaughter here our laws are killing the inoccent and trying to take my armory away while the crook comes in my home has two guns !!!! Oh and one more thing I don't have a neibour an arsenal but 4 bit bulls can do damage if there trained

    thanks Jason!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjeep83 View Post
    Hey Acco i bout a turkish pistol 12 it holds 9 heavy steel shot say 27 pellet 229 pellet in the face and neck it don't matter if you feel like killing someone there probably going to Di on the table any way and there retard friends are not going to help when there buddies eyes have been replaced with lead i mean don't use slugs that's all i understand what stopping power is I'm a collector and i got three daughters if someone came in to hurt them i would cause pain i wouldn't blow there brains out shoot all extremities off that's a lesson we forgot to teach when we became a civilized society and one last thing I have to lay here and do what ever try want me to do while they do there pleasures to the females in my life if I cut him it's 7 years for me if I shoot him I go away forever then who raises my family if he wants me I must surrender you see guy I live in Canada the criminal is protected if he slips on your steps after he can sue !!! We are in the process of buying a home in the Dominican Republic or Bermuda by a little fortrice don't get me wrong I'd kill and run right after Johnny my nebo u r dumps the bodies we are all lambs being lead to the slaughter here our laws are killing the inoccent and trying to take my armory away while the crook comes in my home has two guns !!!! Oh and one more thing I don't have a neibour an arsenal but 4 bit bulls can do damage if there trained

    thanks Jason!
    Wow, what a clusterfuck of a post. :shakeshead:

    If you're not legally justified to kill the intruder, then you certainly aren't legally justified in trying to wound them either. Your argument is a non-starter from the very beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonjeep83 View Post
    Oh and one more thing I don't have a neibour an arsenal but 4 bit bulls can do damage if there trained

    thanks Jason!
    A good Terrier breed doesn't need to be trained if you're a good master. You train a terrier breed to "do damage" and you're a f*uckhead who doesn't deserve the breed.

    Best dog a man can have...

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    Plot twist: This guys family was killed by punctuation.
    Bravo, Sean K., fmunk and 3 others like this.
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    I have a German Shepard who is extremely protective of my kids, a .45 and a Tavor loaded with Speer TNT. My kids know to get on the floor and under their beds if all hell breaks loose and I won't shoot below 3'.

    Also, best for a home invasion, is make them come to you. That way there is little doubt on intentions.
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