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    Frangible bullets for home defense

    Im ordering an m and wanted folks thoughts on using frangible 308 rounds to prevent over penetration issues in the home environment?
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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    I really hope you plan on using a suppressor or ear pro because if you've never fired a 30 caliber rifle indoors,I suggest you try it before deciding on one for home defense.Also barrel length matters,I have a 16 inch tube on a PTR91K and I promise you,you don't want to touch that thing off indoors at night without sunglasses and ear muffs+plugs.Not to mention the pressure wave from firing such a weapon in close quarters is quite impressive,it feels like someone suddenly hit you on the sternum,not quite take your breath hard,but it's quite distracting if your not expecting it.Hope this helps.



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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    I don't think frangible .308 is going to be ANY comfort to your neighbors unless your home has very solid concrete/rock walls.

    Frangible, IMO, is for .223 for home defense.

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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    Quote Originally Posted by dont_tread_on_me View Post
    I really hope you plan on using a suppressor or ear pro because if you've never fired a 30 caliber rifle indoors,I suggest you try it before deciding on one for home defense.Also barrel length matters,I have a 16 inch tube on a PTR91K and I promise you,you don't want to touch that thing off indoors at night without sunglasses and ear muffs+plugs.Not to mention the pressure wave from firing such a weapon in close quarters is quite impressive,it feels like someone suddenly hit you on the sternum,not quite take your breath hard,but it's quite distracting if your not expecting it.Hope this helps.
    +1 on that!

    wbrock, if you're thinking about a .308 for home defense, you might want to reconsider. An intermediate cartridge would be about the limit for me -- preferably in a short-barreled, lightweight, maneuverable package. Although I prefer a pistol for home defense (has the advantage of maneuverability and keeping one hand free to open doors, move the kids, grab the phone), the rifle I will keep most handy (when it arrives) will be the XCR SBR I now have on order, in .300 BLK, with a short suppressor. IMO, a .308 is better suited for the range, deer woods, or battlefield. Just my :2cents:
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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    Thank you all, that is the info I was looking for...as in 308 bad idea for in-home defense. Well I've decided I'm getting an xcr, it's just which to get is the problem L or M. I like the power of the 308 and versatility for hunting and longer range use, but obviously lots of shooting is almost twice as expensive as 5.56. Then the versatility of the L with cartridges that are fine for shorter range hunting, cheaper shooting. At this time I can only have one or the other...

    I guess if you could only have one which would you go for...uses for hunting and target shooting?

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    I think the L is the way to go for the first one. It offers more versatility with ammo sizes. (as well as cheaper)
    The 7.62x39 good enough for most game in N. America. :2cents:
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS.Pic View Post
    I think the L is the way to go for the first one. It offers more versatility with ammo sizes. (as well as cheaper)
    The 7.62x39 good enough for most game in N. America. :2cents:
    Agree -- IMO, definitely the L. 5.56 would be best for target shooting and varmints, since there's a tremendous variety of ammo out there. RA makes both 1/9 and 1/7 twist barrels -- 1/9 is the default, and might be better for general use and a wide variety of bullet weights. If you choose to use it to hunt deer-size game, either 7.62x39 or 6.8 would be acceptable at up to perhaps 150-200 yds -- keep your range reasonable and you should be fine. And with the XCR, of course you can have more than one caliber. That said, I'm a bolt action guy when it comes to hunting -- I use my XCR for plinking, varmints, and as a general fun gun. When my suppressed SBR comes, it will also serve and as a potential home defense weapon in a worst-case scenario, but more frequently for plugging groundhogs and armadillos without leaving the house. ;D

    As for the M, it's an as of yet unproven platform -- I'd wait a bit before jumping in. I had been looking at the XCR-L since it first came out, but it went through some growing pains. The bolt catch, bolt, gas valve, trigger, and both lower and upper receivers have been upgraded over the years. The end result is a fantastic rifle. Hopefully the M will need fewer tweaks, but it's likely there will be some.
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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    .308 in the home is not a good idea. Concussion blast, over penetration etc. Early in my service I used L1A1 rifles for house clearing, the noise, concussion etc is very harsh. A .308 is also bigger and heavier and less manoverable.

    You could use think jacketed bullets but frankly .223 is much better there, using a fast light bullet that fragements on hiting hard surfaces. Lots of tissue damage, limited over or barrier penetration.

    150 grain Combined Technology tips fragment nicely at high velocity and there are other .308 varmint rounds which can help too but they won;t get you around the size, weight and other issues of a 308 platform.
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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    Thank you for your feedback. My understanding with the L is the gas system, the trigger, the firing pin, and the bolt release got upgraded (am I missing anything)...which were all relatively easy replacements. But the upper and lower themselves were not modified (big pieces)? So meaning if there are any issues with the M, it should have already benefitted from much of the L's mods...though since it is new and they took their time releasing it, it is "hoped" that it is as close to perfect as possible. But any teething issues may be relatively simple parts replacements? I guess since its not out yet...no one will have any real answers on that other than conjecture, but if you could logically relate it to the L then those upgrades did eventually get it to be a near perfect platform with relatively inexpensive part replacements?

    I had just sold a Blaser LRS rifle in 308, hence why I was leaning toward the M to replace it. Also, all I currently have in 223 is a single shot T/C rifle (sold my AR in the craze, but still have a complete lower ready for an upper). I have pistols for home defense purposes. In thinking of my potential uses, I "thought" of potentially hunting, 3-gun competition, long range tactical matches (blaser would have been better, but in 308 tougher to compete with 6mm especially over 1000 yards). The M would be a bit big for 3-gun, but doable (I've seen enough videos of folks using SCAR 17s with the PWS muzzle brake, more expensive to practice with), but still need a decent shotgun, and would have to do some work on my pistol (trigger and sights).

    If I got the L, I'd have more left over for a good shotgun and/or pistol work...man, so many choices. Who would think it would be so tough to figure out how to spend a few thousand!!!

    I guess what I'm really trying to do is have one rifle to be an all purpose and unfortunately it just doesn't work that way.

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    Re: Frangible bullets for home defense

    With an -L you could shoot .223, 6.8 and 7.62x39 off a single platform.

    The -M should be the latest and greatest iteration of the platform.

    No, one rifle can't do it all unfortunately. Now if the -L came with 6.5 that might have been different.

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