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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    Hey Bravo, I like the way you think. Hope you're enjoying the AR50. It's a hell of a rifle for the money. I don;t have a Windrunner anymore, freaking pain in the ass. I tend to shoot .338 Lapua these days. Just a shame lost river balistics went bust. They made some very nice tips. If you're going to Bisley with him, enjoy.

    Regardiung wind and range, spot on. The rifle may be capable, but is the ammo or the data accurate and consistant enough. In 99.9 cases no. Thankfully most humans are more then 11" wide! wind effect on balistics is why the soptter is so important. You can call adjustments as required.

    Re: the comment of being able to hit 1" at 100 and 10' at 1000, the comment was more that if the rifle is capable then there is one less variable to be concerned with. We did a test in aldershot where we took a pressure barrel moounted on a concrete block and fired sucessive shots to 1000 yards. Even with zero appreciable wind we saw, with the tracer tips a change in the path of bullets.

    For reference the last record data I have is of a guy, shooting benchrest who shot a 3.835" TEN shot group at 1000 yards with a light rifle. The heavy rifle world record is 3.151" but light rifles are closer to a sniper rifle and the heavy closer to howitzers.
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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    Howdy Mickey!

    Funny you mention LRB..... yeah, they made some pretty good bullets, but I had a 'fallout' with D#$n Michellis some years back. His mouth over-rode his butt, and he 'chose the lesser version of valor' when challenged. After then, I wouln't do business with LRB if they GAVE me bullets. The funny part was that he claimed to be able to do some tremendous feats - tremendous bordering on physical impossibility - and I knew he couldn't. My mentor was his SOTIC instructor ;D At least he was a step above the USOptics honcho (the now-dead williams, not his son) who threatened to sue me for publicly stating experiences with those scopes.

    But no, I don't get to go to Bisley. These years I'm a single father, and that takes virtually all my time - besides, I gotta be around home to send him to school every day. Especially with my kid (dunno if you caught the post, but he's in this months issue of SWAT magazine ) Besides, that competition is for shooters, and there is no need / requirement / accomodation for spotters. Heck, I'm lucky to get away for the weekend to the SHOT show.

    Great stuff! It's good talking with people who know what's what!
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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    Isnt this rifle still vaporware? It has been on there web site for almost a year now and I have yet to see one rifle.

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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    They do exist. I saw one at the Orlando gun Show in January. They are just expensive compared to 5.56 versions.
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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    They had them at the SHOT show, said that they could fill orders and ship now. I didn't ask when they had become available. Price is a touch steep, but not as steep as the L-W sticks.
    Do you really think we want laws to be observed? We want them broken. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be crimes that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants law-abiding citizens? Pass the kind of laws that can’t be observed, enforced, or objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers.

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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo View Post
    Just out of curiousity..... why does anyone care about sub-MOA?
    Accuracy is always suitable for the occassion.

    I suppose people care about high performance in their firearms for the same reason they care about high quality in any product they spend their money on....

    Surefire v. Maglight
    Nightforce v. Tasco
    Subaru STI v. Corolla

    Particularly if they are an enthusiast and it is their hobby.

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    Re: POF USA P308 Battle Rifle

    I dont like POF a whole lot. I dont like the piston design much. I'd much rather have an LWRC SABR if I wanted something AR15 like.

    XCR would be ideal. The SCAR-H looks like hell. The proportions are all off. The Massoud might never happen.
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