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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    Just thought I'd put this up for a visual. I got some 115 gr 6.8 and 123 gr 6.5 ammo in today. My 6.8 XCR and 6.5 kit should be ready in the next month or so. Figured it was time to start stocking up on ammo.

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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    I got a reply from JD Jones at SSK Industries, he's never wroked on an XCR and doesn't know what it would take to make it work in 6.5 MPC. He's willing to take a look though if someone is willing to send him an upper to evaluate.

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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    Quote Originally Posted by XCR-Fin View Post
    Just thought I'd put this up for a visual. I got some 115 gr 6.8 and 123 gr 6.5 ammo in today. My 6.8 XCR and 6.5 kit should be ready in the next month or so. Figured it was time to start stocking up on ammo.

    Rem. 6.8 (left) Wolf 6.5 (right)


    I hadn't been keeping up much with the 6.5 development, how much is the wolf ammo? Is it reloadable?
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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    Quote Originally Posted by aziator View Post
    I hadn't been keeping up much with the 6.5 development, how much is the wolf ammo? Is it reloadable?
    I got it from Midwayusa. It ran $13 for a box of 20 or about $300 for 500 which seems too good to be true. I bought an assortment of that and the 6.8 to decide which my XCR prefers to eat. We'll see if the Wolf stuff is worth a damn. Then I'll buy that load in a large quantity.

    I'm not sure about reloading it but Midwayusa doesn't sell Wolf brass so maybe not. They are only selling Alexander and Lapua brass.
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    Wolf Gold is boxer primed so yes it is reloadable.
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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    Quote Originally Posted by XCR-Fin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aziator View Post
    I hadn't been keeping up much with the 6.5 development, how much is the wolf ammo? Is it reloadable?
    I got it from Midwayusa. It ran for a box of 20 or about 0 for 500 which seems too good to be true. I bought an assortment of that and the 6.8 to decide which my XCR prefers to eat. We'll see if the Wolf stuff is worth a damn. Then I'll buy that load in a large quantity.

    I'm not sure about reloading it but Midwayusa doesn't sell Wolf brass so maybe not. They are only selling Alexander and Lapua brass.
    I am not going to get into the debate over 6.5 or 6.8. There is more than enough of that. Here is my experience. I use an MGI quick change barrel upper and have shot 4 different barrels with it from 16' to 24" every one has been able to group under .5 MOA with a handload it likes.
    As for factory ammo the new Wolf MPT is far better than the early Wolf lead tipped stuff, I would not recommend the early lead tipped ammo for anything but a cheap hunting load, but Alexander Arms has factory loaded ammo with some very good bullets for hunting if you are not going to reload .The MPT is much more accurate (about 1MOA), cleaner shooting and from the feedback I have seen the brass itself is a bit better. You can get it from Alexander Arms for $10.77 a box of 20 or 6.5 Grendel® 120 Multi Purpose Tactical Wolf Ammunition6.5 Grendel® 120 Multi Purpose Tactical Ammunition from Wolf. Case of 500 Price: $269.25
    I have reloaded the Wolf brass from the early production ammo 5 plus times. At this point you will get a few loose primer pockets, throw them away, other wise they are still OK. I do not use Wolf brass for any close to max loads, just my plinking or low pressure stuff. The brass will produce loads that will hold .75 MOA.
    I am really hoping the XCR version will be a great shooter to add to my collection.
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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    It's interesting to read these old discussions from the prospective of 9 months later. It's very possible the military may not adopt either of these rounds, but what we will be left with is Wolf Gold 6.5 @ $12.95 a box, and Wolf's statement that they have no intention of making 6.8 spc. The cheapest 6.8 I can find is $19.95/box (I have an XCR 6.8 because I wasn't sure the 6.5 would ever go into production, and the ban clock is ticking). If the military does not adopt the 6.8 it looks like the 6.5 will be the cheaper round to shoot and with similar ballistics in close I don't see a disadvantage to a flatter trajectory out long.

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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie View Post
    If the military does not adopt the 6.8 it looks like the 6.5 will be the cheaper round to shoot and with similar ballistics in close I don't see a disadvantage to a flatter trajectory out long.
    I agree, there is no disadvantage when terminal ballistics are comparable, but that depends on the bullet type.

    For instance, the 6.5mm 123gr MatchKing and 6.8mm 115gr MatchKing produce very similar wound channels in ballistic gelatin at 50-100 yards, but the former has significantly better trajectory and wind drift at long range.

    However, with available FMJ bullets, the 6.8mm 115gr Remington produces much superior wound trauma than the 6.5mm 120gr Norma.

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    Re: Do I really need a 6.5?

    IF THEY DO COME OUT THIS YEAR WITH THE XCR-M 7.62X51,THEN THE 6.5 WOULD PROBABLY BE OUT TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR. OR BUY THE 6.5 PARTS KIT FOR IT. PLUS, THE XCR-M WILL PROBABLY BE $2,400.OO TO $2,600.OO. WHICH IS THE NORM FOR THESE TYPES OF RIFLES.PLUS, COLT WITH THE CM-901 IN .308 AS WELL THIS YEAR.WITH A NEW FOLDING STOCK; WHICH IS NOT VAPORWARE.LOOKS LIKE A PROMISING YEAR.I WILL DEFINITELY HAVE TO PICK UP AN XCR THIS YEAR.ALSO THE BUSHMASTER ACR IN 6.8 THIS YEAR AND THE 7.62X39 ACR IN JUNE?

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