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    Re: Hows the testing going?

    I don't have any interest in this caliber strictly from the cost standpoint, and I'm no engineer by any means, but in this instance I think RA would be well served by getting a good relationship with a custom riflesmith and letting them run with it. RA sells barrel extensions and gas blocks as spare parts and the 'smith turns the barrel. Now, on the customer side of things you get increased cost but in turn you'll get a properly spec'd barrel from the maker. in the lower numbers (compared to 5.56) this cartridge draws shooters, I'd reckon it's doable. It would also allow more individual customization too. Want a different twist, a stainless barrel or some crazy caliber? Now there is an option. There are a metric buttload of AR barrel makers offering this, why not for the XCR too?
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    Bottom line, the M is the top priority right now.
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    Re: Hows the testing going?

    I'm guessing they are still plugging away on the XCR-M and have put the 6.5 conversion back on the to-do list. It would be kind of funny if the Remington ACR makes it to market in 6.5 before the XCR does. Ok, maybe funny isn't the right word for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tolson68 View Post
    It would be kind of funny if the Remington ACR makes it to market in 6.5 before the XCR does.
    I'd have to buy an ACR, if that happened. The other contender is the MSAR STG E4, which is in the same "we've announced it but not released it, we say we're working on it, and we don't have a public timetable" status as the XCR. Whichever of those companies makes it to market first is probably going to be getting my business.
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    Re: Hows the testing going?

    Quote Originally Posted by TomAiello View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tolson68 View Post
    It would be kind of funny if the Remington ACR makes it to market in 6.5 before the XCR does.
    I'd have to buy an ACR, if that happened. The other contender is the MSAR STG E4, which is in the same "we've announced it but not released it, we say we're working on it, and we don't have a public timetable" status as the XCR. Whichever of those companies makes it to market first is probably going to be getting my business.
    Agreed, the first of these fine weapons sporting Grendel will get my money, the others will wait in line, and possibly never receive (though this is unlikely since I love all three weapons, along with the M, the Massoud, and the RFB by Kel-tec for 7.62 rifles, all will find a place eventually if at all possible)
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    Re: Hows the testing going?

    Quote Originally Posted by tolson68 View Post
    I'm guessing they are still plugging away on the XCR-M and have put the 6.5 conversion back on the to-do list. It would be kind of funny if the Remington ACR makes it to market in 6.5 before the XCR does. Ok, maybe funny isn't the right word for it.
    Not happening. Remington apparently has abandoned Grendel for their own proprietary 6.5 cartridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    Not happening. Remington apparently has abandoned Grendel for their own proprietary 6.5 cartridge.
    What is your source for this info, VB? I read much of the recent internet speculation about Remington and the 6.5 Grendel, but it didn't seem clear to me what was factual and what was not, or if anyone talking about this really knew anything. Different people have written, with an equal air of authority, that either Remington is poised to start manufacturing 6.5 Grendel ammunition and will offer a version of their ACR that chambers it, or that Remington would never (ever ever) go anywhere near 6.5 Grendel and that the 6.5 cartridge recently discussed is something else. I suppose the "in between" speculation is that Remington approached the idea of adopting 6.5G, couldn't get things squared away with Alexander, and are going to create some subtle variant that get them out from under any patent or trade-mark claims by Alexander. I mean, how much would they really have to change? Was it gunner that pointed out that 6.5x39 is very similar to Grendel regarding performance? How about a 6.5PPC? Would any of you guys waiting for the Grendel accept such a cartridge as an alternative, presuming that Remington started cranking out volumes of cheap ammo for it?


    EDIT: I saw stanc's post, in another thread, about Hornady being the new 6.5G manufacturer. Guess that mystery is solved.

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    I looked it up yesterday, there is a post on thefirearmsblog about it. And how apparently they are chambering it for 30RAR also. Like the post stated, its likely due to the bend over backwards procedures that Bill Alexander has in place to have a weapon firing his round. The restrictions seem entirely counter-productive since he can only sell fewer rifles and less ammo if he doesn't allow it to spread out, sure it wont be as much profit per unit sold, but the idea is to make far more in quantity of sales than uniqueness.. He put together a new round for the AR, not a new weapon entirely :duh: you'd think he'd want multiple major manufacturers and companies like Colt, Bushmaster, DPMS, LWRC, and POF asking to chamber the round, and make it simple to do so.

    Bill Alexander seems to be on a very high horse... I'm still very interested in a 6.5G rifle, but his sales from me and others of like mind are going to minimize since I'll likely have one AR with a few mags and only a couple hundred rounds a year in ammo. As apposed to having multiple 6.5G rifles (ACR, XCR, LWRC, POF) all chambered for the round and set up for different purposes.. making it my primary chambering of choice for most scenarios of use. Its the round thats supposed to make him the brilliant guy to solve a controversial AR issue, and hes crippling its growth
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    Re: Hows the testing going?

    Unless you've shot 6.5 it's hard to see what the fuss is about. When you have experienced the accuracy and ease of use it becomes clear. The only issue is that Bill Alexander is crippling the use of the very round he created. Bill missed a lot of opportunity to make this a big success.
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    I've seen little, but there is something directly on the contact page of AA's site that urges ammo and weapons manufacturers to contact via whatever was thru the link, I don't know if they just don't know about that process (highly doubt) or that there really is a whole jump thru hoops process after that point that most found ridiculous... ???
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    2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice, AKA Double Tap
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