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    New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Really!!?? What Next!!?? I guess Bloomberg is feeling his Oats.

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    NEW YORK — New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will propose a ban on Styrofoam, the substance commonly used for take-out food containers that is almost impossible to recycle.

    The mayor who has already targeted fat, sugar and salt in the city will turn to extruded polystyrene foam, saying it clogs up landfills, does not biodegrade and might harm human health.

    Bloomberg will raise the proposal in his final State of the City speech on Thursday. The city provided reporters an advance text of the speech on Wednesday.

    Bloomberg, in his 12th year as mayor, has made public health and sustainability hallmarks of his three terms in office, and he has taken aim repeatedly at the fast-food industry - most recently in his controversial plan to bar the sale of large portions of sugary soda, which goes into effect next month.
    Styrofoam, he says, should go the way of lead-based paint, which the city banned from residential use in 1960. An estimated 20,000 tons of Styrofoam enter the city's waste stream each year, and it can add an estimated per ton to the cost of recycling because it needs to be removed from the recycling stream, the city said.

    "After all, we can live without it. We may live longer without it. And the doggie bag will survive just fine," the text of Bloomberg's speech says.

    Dow Chemical Co, which makes Styrofoam, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Similar bans have been adopted in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle and Portland, Oregon.

    The plan was likely to meet opposition from small businesses, since alternatives to Styrofoam tend to cost between two and five times as much.

    "As this proposal moves forward, we hope that the concerns of the small businesses it affects - like cost increases - will factor in at least as heavily as environmental concerns," said Andrew Moesel, a spokesman for the New York Restaurant Association.

    While Bloomberg's aggressive campaigns have won him plaudits from some, others have dubbed him a "nanny" mayor and said his ideas limit choice and pre-empt individual responsibility.

    During his first term, he pushed through a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants, which, despite an initially rocky reception from New Yorkers, is now enormously popular and has inspired similar bans in cities around the world.

    Next up was a ban on trans fats, found in Little Italy cannoli and fast-food french fries, and a dictate that fast-food restaurants post calorie information in large type on menu boards.

    Last year, Bloomberg said restaurants and takeaway food shops could no longer sell sugary drinks larger than 16 ounces (47 cl).

    Sugar-sweetened drinks are a significant source of extra calories in the U.S. diet and closely linked with weight gain, which often accompanies serious and costly illnesses such as diabetes and heart disease.

    The soft drinks industry is challenging the ban, which is due to begin in March, calling it an unconstitutional overreach that burdens small businesses and infringes upon personal liberty.

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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Yeah, trying to reduce waste and stop filling up landfills - what a jerk!

    Aside from the drink-size restriction, everything else sounds like good policy.
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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Humans are a wasteful society anyway is it not. We dump worst things than Styrofoam into our environment. They should just ban everything that threatens our existence I say.

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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Because people are doing worse things than using Styrofoam, we shouldn't take measure to address Styrofoam? I am not a big fan of that argument. Sure, banning Styrofoam take-out containers won't solve all the World's problems (it won't even solve all of NYC's problems). However, it's something that is relatively benign (there are many other options for container materials at minimal increased costs) and it is relatively effective (it will definitely cut down on the amount of Styrofoam waste). It's not as if people won't be able to get take-out anymore, or restaurants are going to go out of business.
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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Not that they should not, humans by nature will not comply and look for ways to get away with it.

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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    By that reasoning, there is no point to any law.

    There are plenty of good laws that do not have 100% compliance. In fact, I can't think of a law that does have 100% compliance.
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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    I guess I am naive in believing that humans should just 'evolve' and be able to get along but it is not the way it is.

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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin View Post
    I guess I am naive in believing that humans should just 'evolve' and be able to get along but it is not the way it is.
    I don't get your meaning.
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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    Instead of people just arguing and disagreeing then trying to force their beliefs (religion, politics, blue sky, red sun etc) on other people, the Golden Rule comes closest in how humans should behave.
    Knowing the Good/Right thing is so difficult for us. We always have to be one leg up on the next person.
    Instead I have to have a firearm, bat, stick, baton or whatever to protect myself, family, neighbor or friends.

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    Re: New York City mayor wants to ban Styrofoam

    The golden rule is a great ideal for interpersonal behavior.

    How do you apply that to something like Styrofoam waste?

    I can see how it would apply to the no-smoking inside buildings behavior. People who smoke should be conscientious of people who do not want to breath second hand smoke. On the other hand, that clearly wasn't preventing someone at the table next to you from lighting up a cigarette while you're trying to enjoy a nice steak. The law to ban smoking inside just takes something that should have been standard under the golden rule and makes it official. Just like laws against assault and murder.

    However, things like environmental protection don't always translate as easily to the golden rule interpretation. At some point, regulations/laws may be necessary.
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