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    Donate to California!?

    That's funny. Impeach Dianne Feinstein, and then we'll talk. California is the poster child for a liberal welfare state. It has gone too far for anything but revolution against too much government:

    Retiring S.F. police brass cash in on way out - SFGate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean K. View Post
    Agreed....probably has to do with all the CA retiree/transplants over the last 20-30 years.
    I think that even the last pockets of relative freedom in the mountain west will be extinguished during my lifetime.

    I'm just making a semi-educated guess that Idaho or Wyoming will be the final holdout. I can already see how things are going in Salt Lake City, which will outvote the rest of Utah, so that the city denizens can impose their will on the rural citizens under the guise of democracy. I think we'll see the same story in the rest of the west eventually. Idaho appears to be benefiting from political refugees from other states, but Wyoming has the advantage of a lower overall population density and smaller "big" cities.
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    TomAiello / Sean K. - There is some things about Montana that give me hope. First is that Chuck Baldwin moved his ministry to the Flathead Valley and many have been making the move there as a result. Also the Oath Keepers have made similar moves into the area. Idaho was on my list. What gets the liberal asstards to congress from Montana is the big entertainment dollars that fund their campaigns from large landholders like David Letterman and Ted Turner.

    I think you are losing hope way too soon. It's "generation next" (sub 40s people) that is turning the tide with the Campaign for Liberty, Free State Project, preppers, survivalism, free man on the landers, anarchists, etc. What you are seeing now is that those born before '65 currently holding the reigns of power and are protecting their socialist lies and their sources of money/influence. There is an (r)evolution happening in the hearts and minds of people.

    saberune - I wouldn't put your energy into California at this stage, you'd be better off putting that energy into a move to Texas. Dividing your focus only makes you less efficient and will slow your progress. A divided house cannot stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by travis.longo View Post
    New Hampshire will be one one of the last as long as the liberal sewage runoff stops bleeding in from Mass and Vermont.

    These people come here fleeing the shit holes they have turned there states into and then continue voting for what they come here to escape......
    Yep. New Hampshire also benefits from an influx of freedom seeking political refugees from the nearby statist strongholds.
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    Donate to Calguns,yes. Consider us partisans in occupied territory, desperately in need of support from the free world. As for F-stein

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...e-awb/sdKKkKJ5

    I know I know, this petition site is full of frivolous nonsense. But it's a good outlet for grievances that does get some attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crusoe View Post
    Donate to California!?

    That's funny. Impeach Dianne Feinstein, and then we'll talk. California is the poster child for a liberal welfare state. It has gone too far for anything but revolution against too much government:

    Retiring S.F. police brass cash in on way out - SFGate
    Impeach Feinstein from a majority democrat state? LMAO. You live in fantasy-land. What I get from this thread is that you have no problems in punishing gun owners in CA for the actions of the rest of the state. Yet, it's somehow not ok, nationally, when some people want to punish gun owners for the actions of a few maniacs?

    Double standard much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberune View Post
    Donate to Calguns,yes. Consider us partisans in occupied territory, desperately in need of support from the free world. As for F-stein

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...e-awb/sdKKkKJ5

    I know I know, this petition site is full of frivolous nonsense. But it's a good outlet for grievances that does get some attention.
    Save your breath, brother. These people don't care because it's not their problem. Just like cancer... No one wants to think they can get it until it's too late. Gun owners are too often their own worst enemy... Case in point.

    your efforts are best if turned towards calguns forums.
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    "Double standard much?" "These people don't care because it's not their problem."

    Whoa there friend, fmunk. Allow me to choose my battles. IMHO California is a lost cause at this time, until they experience the full meaning of draconian gun control, along with the full meaning of being a welfare state. That doesn't mean I don't care deeply, and fully understand the theory of a spreading cancer. Yes, you are right: It is everyone's problem. But not everyone will agree on the best way to solve that problem.

    What do you want me to do? Write them a check for campaign funds of another corrupt politician in California. Do we know what will be done with this donated money? How big a check did you write them?

    My donation money for pro gun issues goes to other strategies.

    I mean this as a friendly discussion between people who are pro gun, trying to understand how to save the 2nd amendment.

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    Unhappy "Calif. Dems push wide-ranging gun control bills"

    "Calif. Dems push wide-ranging gun control bills"

    Calif. Dems push wide-ranging gun control bills

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Democrats in the California Senate said Tuesday that they will use their majority to advance seven bills that would tighten the state's already strict gun control laws.

    One of the bills, which were receiving their initial hearings in a legislative committee, would ban the sale of any semi-automatic rifle that accepts detachable ammunition magazines. Some of the proposals, including a ban on possessing magazines holding more than 10 bullets, would apply to current gun owners as well as those who buy weapons in the future.

    The legislation comes in the aftermath of the mass shootings in Newtown, Conn., and Aurora, Colo.
    "We simply can't wait until the next tragedy before taking action," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told the Senate Public Safety Committee. "You have the opportunity ... to make California a leader again" in restricting weapons and ammunition.
    New York and Connecticut already have passed tough gun and ammunition bans this year.
    Supporters of gun rights planned a noon rally opposing the legislation, while gun control proponents turned in more than 31,000 signatures backing the bills.
    Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, estimated that about 355 Californians and 3,300 victims nationwide have died from gun violence since the Newtown, Conn., school massacre in December. He is carrying one of the bills, SB374, which would outlaw rifles with detachable magazines.
    Other bills in the package would:
    — Make it more difficult to rapidly reload weapons with high-capacity magazines.
    — Add a combination shotgun-rifle to the state's list of prohibited weapons.

    — Require background checks for all gun owners.
    — Require ammunition buyers to undergo a background check and get a permit.
    — Require more training for gun buyers.
    — And add new crimes to the list of those that disqualify Californians from owning weapons.
    "The laws have loopholes and gaps that the manufacturers have exploited," Steinberg said, enabling them to sell military-style assault weapons in California despite previous efforts.
    He said the legislative package proposed by Senate Democrats would close those loopholes. The seven bills are among at least 30 measures that have been introduced this year related to guns and ammunition.

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