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    From a friend who grew up in Croatia, "Socialism is equal poverty for everyone."
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    When I was living in Hungary (early 90's--just after the end of Communism) the joke was:

    "What is Socialism? The solution to problems that otherwise would never have occurred."

    It doesn't sound as witty in English translation, but basically everyone knew that Socialism was creating the problems it purported to solve.
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    "When did doilies and one hundred year old plates become so important? What happened to the boy who was always slipping off looking for adventure?"

    J.R.R. Tolkien--The Hobbit, Gandolf speaking to Bilbo Baggins
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    Some real doozies from Edward Snowden here;

    https://yourstory.com/2017/06/edward...uotes-privacy/

    1. "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide, is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

    2. "Sometimes the scandal is not what law was broken, but what the law allows."

    3. "The definition of a security state is one that prioritizes security over all other considerations."

    4. "So many of the things we're told by the government simply aren't true."

    5. “Privacy is the fountainhead of all other rights. Freedom of speech doesn’t have a lot of meaning if you can’t have a quiet space. A space within yourself, within your mind, within the community of your friends, within your home, to decide what it is you actually want to say.”

    6. “Privacy isn’t about something to hide. Privacy is about something to protect. And that’s who you are. That’s what you believe in. That’s who you want to become. Privacy is the right to the self. Privacy is what gives you the ability to share with the world who you are on your own terms.”

    7.“The common argument that we have ‘if you have nothing to hide …you have nothing to fear’– the origins of that are literally Nazi propaganda… That is literally the origin of that quote. It’s from their minister of propaganda Joseph Goebbels. So when we hear modern politicians, when we hear modern people repeating that reflexively without confronting its origins, without confronting what it really says… that’s harmful.”

    8. "I think the most important idea is to remember that there have been times throughout American history where what is right is not the same as what is legal."

    9. "I care more about the country than what happens to me. But we can't allow the law to become a political weapon or agree to scare people away from standing up for their rights, no matter how good the deal. I'm not going to be part of that."

    10. "No system of mass surveillance has existed in any society, that we know of to this point, that has not been abused."

    11. "I would rather be without a state than without a voice."

    12 "I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

    13 "All I wanted was for the public to be able to have a say in how they are governed. That is a milestone we left a long time ago."

    14 "The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law."

    15 "I did not seek to sell U.S. secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice."

    16 "Citizens with a conscience are not going to ignore wrong-doing simply because they'll be destroyed for it: the conscience forbids it."

    17 "I can't in good conscience allow the U.S. government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

    18 "Being a patriot doesn't mean prioritizing service to government above all else. Being a patriot means knowing when to protect your country, knowing when to protect your Constitution, knowing when to protect your countrymen, from the violations of and encroachments of adversaries. And those adversaries don't have to be foreign countries."

    19 "Every person remembers some moment in their life where they witnessed some injustice, big or small, and looked away because the consequences of intervening seemed too intimidating. But there's a limit to the amount of incivility, inequality and inhumanity that each individual can tolerate. I crossed that line. And I'm no longer alone."

    20 "All I can say right now is the U.S. government is not going to be able to cover this up by imprisoning or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped."
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    > 14 "The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law."

    I'd rephrase this without the word "secret".

    The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of law.


    Many things that are totally lawful are still evil. And many things that are illegal are still good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAiello View Post
    > 14 "The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law."

    I'd rephrase this without the word "secret".

    The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of law.


    Many things that are totally lawful are still evil. And many things that are illegal are still good.

    Yeah, noticed and had the same caveat. I think Snowden was largely making that particular point about some of the laws passed in knee-jerk reaction after 9/11....FISA Courts, Patriot Act, hidden "laws". That's my guess anyway.
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    Those Snowden quotes are magnificent!
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    As individuals we only have one obligation to society: To make sure we, and our children, are not a burden to others.
    -JL Collins



    From: https://jlcollinsnh.com/manifesto/



    The auto formatting in here is driving me crazy today. I can't seem to get it not to center everything. WTH?
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    Tom, I think it means you're drifting to the center. JK!
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    There is a good set of Milton Friedman quotes in this article: https://fee.org/articles/12-truth-bo...ilton-friedman


    1. "Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." – >Capitalism and Freedom (2002)

    2. "I’m in favor of legalizing drugs. According to my values system, if people want to kill themselves, they have every right to do so. Most of the harm that comes from drugs is because they are illegal." – As quoted in If Ignorance Is Bliss, Why Aren't There More Happy People? (2009)


    3. "With some notable exceptions, businessmen favor free enterprise in general but are opposed to it when it comes to themselves." –Lecture "The Suicidal Impulse of the Business Community" (1983)


    4. "It's a moral problem that the government is making into criminals people, who may be doing something you and I don't approve of, but who are doing something that hurts nobody else." – America's Drug Forum interview (1991)


    5. "One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results." – Interview with Richard Heffner on The Open Mind (Dec. 7, 1975)
    6. "You must distinguish sharply between being pro-free enterprise and being pro-business." – Big Business, Big Government (1978)


    7. "The society that puts equality before freedom will end up with neither. The society that puts freedom before equality will end up with a great measure of both." – From "Created Equal," an episode of the PBS Free to Choose television series (1980)


    8. "Governments never learn; only people learn." – As quoted in The Cynic's Lexicon: A Dictionary Of Amoral Advice (1984)


    9. "We have to recognize that we must not hope for a Utopia that is unattainable. I would like to see a great deal less government activity than we have now, but I do not believe that we can have a situation in which we don't need government at all." – As quoted in The Times Herald, Norristown, Pennsylvania (Dec. 1, 1978)


    10. "The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another." – "Why Government Is the Problem" (February 1, 1993), p. 19


    11. "The case for prohibiting drugs is exactly as strong and as weak as the case for prohibiting people from overeating. We all know that overeating causes more deaths than drugs do." – America's Drug Forum interview (1991)


    12. "There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government. And that’s close to 40 percent of our national income." – Fox News interview (May 2004).
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