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    France bans Burqas - when do we ban the Mexican flag?

    You know we are in trouble when the French are more to the right than we are.

    Can't wait to see the the non-violent reaction from the large peace loving muslim population. They will resist any attempt to assimilate to any host country that is nice enough to give them freedom, jobs, money, etc. They will just take it over when the time is right and make the infidels assimilate to their beliefs.

    Gee, isn't that what's happening here with immigration from our southern borders? But here in the US, we refuse to fight back like the French and want to hand the keys over to the nation so we can be politically correct. Who are the real cowards? If Obama gets a second term, the US flag will be changed to the white flag. Then when the Mexican president is eventually elected in the US, the whole country will be returned back to their rightful owners in Mexico and the evil white man will finally be dealt with. Oh, and they don't like black people either so they are screwed too. Maybe it would be best to surrender to China now to save us from Mexico.

    NOTE: Turn on your sarcasm detectors when reading - trying to make some points with some inflammatory comments. This country need to wake the F up. Obama has put it to sleep so it can be imploded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsweb View Post
    You know we are in trouble when the French are more to the right than we are.

    Can't wait to see the the non-violent reaction from the large peace loving muslim population. They will resist any attempt to assimilate to any host country that is nice enough to give them freedom, jobs, money, etc. They will just take it over when the time is right and make the infidels assimilate to their beliefs.

    Gee, isn't that what's happening here with immigration from our southern borders? But here in the US, we refuse to fight back like the French and want to hand the keys over to the nation so we can be politically correct. Who are the real cowards? If Obama gets a second term, the US flag will be changed to the white flag. Then when the Mexican president is eventually elected in the US, the whole country will be returned back to their rightful owners in Mexico and the evil white man will finally be dealt with. Oh, and they don't like black people either so they are screwed too. Maybe it would be best to surrender to China now to save us from Mexico.

    NOTE: Turn on your sarcasm detectors when reading - trying to make some points with some inflammatory comments. This country need to wake the F up. Obama has put it to sleep so it can be imploded.
    I hope we NEVER DO ban it.....

    You cannot pick and choose what parts of the Constitution you'd like to follow; though I'd argue that a few of our Amendments are NOT Constitutional. That said, the 1st Amendment isn't one of them.

    If someone wants to fly a flag other than ours or worship a god other than the mainstream, or none at all....they are protected under our first amendment.

    How does it infringe on your rights to see a Mexican flag flying?

    Just sayin'.....

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    To be fair, the immigration problem has been a long time in the making. For years, neither congress or presidents have done anything to solve the problem. Since Mexico is essentially a failed state, we will continue to have problems until we seal the border or invade 10 miles into Mexico and create a buffer zone like the DMZ in Korea.
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    Well, I did say I was using highly inflammatory statements to make a point. The flag thing is a symbol that is used to rub it into American's faces. Do I expect we would ban it? No. We allow the burning of the US flag so it would be highly unlikely.

    The point is: when do we stop giving special privileges and reject those that fail to accept this country as their own when they come here? This country was built on many different people coming here from all kinds of places with the common goal of becoming Americans and getting a new start. That is not what we have going on now but everyone is scared to call them out because it is not politically correct or you get called a racist.



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    I love how the Mexicans always wanna play the Aztlan/Reconquista card. Guess what? Aztlan's a fucking fairy tale kids. It never existed. If it did, it wasn't in the the US southwest. The Apache, Navajo, Hopi, Pima, etc. peoples are living proof. Aztlan was bed time story Aztec parents told their children to make them feel better about their shitty existence (FYI less than 10% of you have any Aztec ancestry anyways). The truth is the southwestern US was only part of Mexico because of the Spanish, who were white in case you forgot, and you guys are their descendants oh my isn't that inconvenient? Another inconvenient fact, we paid $500,000,000 for the land you so desperately seek to reclaim. So tell ya what, give us back our money (those 1847 dollars btw) and we'll give you back the land. Sound good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsweb View Post
    The point is: when do we stop giving special privileges and reject those that fail to accept this country as their own when they come here?
    The First Amendment is not a special privilege. It is a restriction on the power of government.

    I don't want my government restricting the fundamental rights of anyone, anywhere. I don't care if they are Mexicans in Brownsville, Iraqis in Baghdad, or Americans in Bismarck.

    This isn't about privileges. It's about government power--and the rightful limits thereof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAiello View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jrsweb View Post
    The point is: when do we stop giving special privileges and reject those that fail to accept this country as their own when they come here?
    The First Amendment is not a special privilege. It is a restriction on the power of government.

    I don't want my government restricting the fundamental rights of anyone, anywhere. I don't care if they are Mexicans in Brownsville, Iraqis in Baghdad, or Americans in Bismarck.

    This isn't about privileges. It's about government power--and the rightful limits thereof.
    Wow, Tom - I thought you were never going to bite. ;D Maybe I made it too over the top with the flag thing to get some reactions. I was trying to draw you in to get some debate going on here since there has been too much drama around here lately.

    So here is the real topic of controversy. Let's put the flag issue aside - that was my trolling material and fit in well with the burqa "cover" story. We have people that come from other countries and qualify for a bunch of government handouts that many needy Americans could use but don't qualify for because they make too much money ( I forgot what the amount was - something ridiculous). You have people that worked all their lives in this country and can't get the same amount of healthcare coverage when they retire as compared to some of people that come in and have not worked at all in this country. Soon we will open the floodgates and give them even more money and special privileges.

    We also have people that want to get special privileges by using religion or whatever else as an excuse to not follow laws that the rest of the people in the country have to follow. We have to give them special privileges whenever they go to court and play that card.

    What's the Libertarian answer to this? If we say that we have to give the same special privileges to all Americans to make it fair, who is going to pay for that. We are broke already. Along the same lines, if we revoke some common laws so some people don't get special privileges to not follow them due to religious beliefs, how do we prevent anarchy when each person can declare the system of law they adhere to - basically making up their own?

    Going back to your point. The US government is restricting the rights of Americans by giving special privileges to people who come from other countries, are from certain ethnic groups or claim religious rights to get around the law.

    Sorry for baiting you guys. Tom, you are one of the people that many of us like to read for your insight and comments on controversial topics. As usual, I may play devils advocate to stir some things up and get people to throw in ideas from any side of the argument.... and we have been known for having more than 2 sides to a debate. It has already been proven that the Donkey and Elephant solutions don't work for this country.
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    Re: France bans Burqas - when do we ban the Mexican flag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soap View Post
    I love how the Mexicans always wanna play the Aztlan/Reconquista card. Guess what? Aztlan's a fucking fairy tale kids. It never existed. If it did, it wasn't in the the US southwest. The Apache, Navajo, Hopi, Pima, etc. peoples are living proof. Aztlan was bed time story Aztec parents told their children to make them feel better about their shitty existence (FYI less than 10% of you have any Aztec ancestry anyways). The truth is the southwestern US was only part of Mexico because of the Spanish, who were white in case you forgot, and you guys are their descendants oh my isn't that inconvenient? Another inconvenient fact, we paid 0,000,000 for the land you so desperately seek to reclaim. So tell ya what, give us back our money (those 1847 dollars btw) and we'll give you back the land. Sound good?
    I had close to the exact same thought about the Aztlan BS. Not to mention that the Aztecs only populated the southern 20% of what is now Mexico and none of the land that has become the United States of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsweb View Post
    We have people that come from other countries and qualify for a bunch of government handouts that many needy Americans could use but don't qualify for because they make too much money ( I forgot what the amount was - something ridiculous). You have people that worked all their lives in this country and can't get the same amount of healthcare coverage when they retire as compared to some of people that come in and have not worked at all in this country. Soon we will open the floodgates and give them even more money and special privileges.
    The solution there is to reduce the provision of government largesse in both scope and size. Cut the payments being made to people, and restrict them to a certain group of people. I'd support providing benefits only to citizens, but I'd be even more in favor of drastically reducing (or eliminating entirely) the benefits.

    Another good solution would be to provide exactly the same subsistence level benefits to any citizen who asked, regardless of their need. Need a place to stay? Here's a bed in a shelter. Need a meal? Here's the soup kitchen. Need cash? Get a job. No income checks, no qualifications aside from citizenship, no questions asked. But you don't get iPods and Visa cash cards--you get a clean bed in a bunkroom and a simple meal that will keep you going.



    We also have people that want to get special privileges by using religion or whatever else as an excuse to not follow laws that the rest of the people in the country have to follow. We have to give them special privileges whenever they go to court and play that card.
    That's just plain silly. The government needs to be religion-blind, in the same way it needs to be color-blind. All men are not actually created equal--it's equality under the law that renders the fundamental social equality our system is based on. Granting special privileges to one group under the pretense of "leveling the playing field" or "respecting diversity" undermines the basic standards of equality our nation is built on.



    If we say that we have to give the same special privileges to all Americans to make it fair, who is going to pay for that. We are broke already.
    When you say "privileges" are you talking about government payments (entitlements)? Or something different?


    Along the same lines, if we revoke some common laws so some people don't get special privileges to not follow them due to religious beliefs, how do we prevent anarchy when each person can declare the system of law they adhere to - basically making up their own?
    We shouldn't allow religious exemptions to the basic laws of the land. "Rule of Law" means that the law rules everyone equally.


    Going back to your point. The US government is restricting the rights of Americans by giving special privileges to people who come from other countries, are from certain ethnic groups or claim religious rights to get around the law.
    I'm not sure how that granting of privileges restricts the rights of other parties, but I don't think that matters much. The government shouldn't be giving special privileges to any group or person--and the fact that it has been for the last century or so is a fundamental problem in our system, which desperately needs to be changed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomAiello View Post

    If we say that we have to give the same special privileges to all Americans to make it fair, who is going to pay for that. We are broke already.
    When you say "privileges" are you talking about government payments (entitlements)? Or something different?
    Yes, this was in terms of money given out by the government. You made an exceptional statement with this:

    "The government shouldn't be giving special privileges to any group or person--and the fact that it has been for the last century or so is a fundamental problem in our system, which desperately needs to be changed."

    A family member turned down a good job because he was told that the reason he was being hired was that they needed to have someone in his ethnic group (meaning someone not born in the US). Our family considers that an insult. He ended up taking the offer of another place that wanted him for what he could contribute and did very well. I worked for a few companies where I was the only person born outside the US and got a lot of grief from many individuals who did not care for my kind. But even in those conditions, I was able to work my way up based on what I contributed. There are always exceptions, but the system does work. That is the beauty of free enterprise where you compete. You want the best people working with you, regardless if they are green, red, etc. Those that don't learn that lesson won't survive. We are getting killed on the world economy as we have to carry so much dead weight that we sink before we can start paddling in the race.

    As usual, you did not disappoint. Your points were spot on. Not sure what I can come back with. Maybe someone else may take a stab.
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