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    REALLY CONFUSED

    I need some honest opinions from you guys without bias if thats possible on an XCR forum. I would really like opinions from former military or those with experience with other rifles. I really find the XCR design interesting with a bit AR/AK/FAL. I currently own a LWRC M6A2 6.8 and have had none of the problems that seem to pop up on these boards. Is this rifle truly reliable or does it usually encounter sreious issues that need to be worked out. I have finally started my collection and got my M6 a little friend (WASR-10) and I think she wants another friend. I am looking at the FS2000, SIG 556, and XCR, I want the pros and cons from its users. Thanks.

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    I can only relate from my persobal experiences with both the 556 and the XCR. I bought an XCR in 2006 and took it to a training trip in Nevada. We ran over 1k rounds of green tip through in less than an hour. I experienced a good number of light strikes and trigger hang ups. The great thing about the design setup with the XCR allowed me to immediately rack the charging handle without coming off target or losing my cheek weld. RA has reworked the trigger so I believe those hang ups are no longer an issue. You'll have to break her in a bit to get her to run without hiccups. The caliber conversions are also a pretty cool option with the XCR. I have no experience with the FS2000 other than hefting it at the shop, but I can say my buddy's Sig 556 runs flawlessly right out of the box. It's a bit muzzle heavy (who cares, aids in recoil mitigation) , the charging handle reciprocates and is on the right side, (similar to your WASR) and most importantly in a combat rifle, it is utterly reliable.

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    I have had experience with DPMS,XCR, and M1A SOCOM . The DPMS had problems from the get go. The SOCOM is a great rifle. The XCR is my favorite to shoot. I purchased my XCR in the spring this year. So far absolutely no problems with the XCR. Though I only have 400 rounds through it so far. The trigger isn't the best, sometimes its 2 stage sometimes its not. From what I understand, the XCR is now shipping with a new trigger which is supposed to be a considerable improvement over the old trigger. Other than the trigger, I think its a great rifle. There are also several post on how to improve the old trigger, if you like tinkering.

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    I only have a little experience with the Sig 556 and no trigger time with the FS2000.
    Having said that, I personally have experienced none of the issues that I've seen other people on this forum have with their XCRs during the break-in process. My XCR is a pretty new one so maybe it's taken RA a little longer to work the bugs out. I had about three FTFs with the first mag I ever fired through it, and a couple more several hundred rounds later when I tried a crappy Lancer mag, but after that it's ran like a champ with everything I've fed it with. It surpries me how accurate it is with such a wide variety of ammo (even Brown bear).
    I don't have as much trigger time with the Sig other than putting approximately 200 rounds through my buddys but I think I have enough to do a decent comparison. When the comparing the Sig to the XCR based on my personal experience, reliability has been the same for me. The XCR has much better ergonomics and I could shoot the XCR much more accurately than I could the Sig with comparable sights (eotechs). The Sig had rather crappy looking furniture and I didn't like the rail mounting surfaces on the Sig. This wouldn't have necessarily been a deal breaker because I'm not one to mount half a hardware store on my rifles, but I do like a good flashlight at least. To me, the XCR and the Sig seem to be a bit front end heavy but I don't mind. I'm used to M16s M4s ARs so it took a bit of getting used to. I have known several people who had some serious problems with their Sig rifles and Sig isn't as good to deal with as RA. One buddy, who bought a Sig, couldn't get get any measure of accuracy out of it even after trying 5 different kinds of ammo. He was lucky if he could get 15" groups at 50 yards with it. He had to send it back to the factory and it took almost three months to get the problem resoved. Another guys lower receiver broker off when he took the pin out of the lower trigger guard. Sig wouldnt replace it because it had been refinished. I'm not relating these stories about the Sig to sway you towards the XCR, just to make sure you know that Sigs are not without problems. I may add a Sig 556 Classic to my collection one day. I would trust my life to my XCR as much as I would any m16 or M4. Like any new weapons system, it requires understanding about its quirks. If you buy an XCR, read the manual cover to cover and you should have no porblems.
    ETA: I have one other friend who owns an XCR and his has ran fine out of the box with no problems.
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    I'd like to pop in and state that the issues experienced by customers in ratio to the number of rifles shipped is really quite minimal. I have taken care of all repairs personally for the last two years.
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    I have experience with AR-15's(LWRC, Noveske, RRA), XCR, Sig 551, and Tavor (not FS2000 but a bullpup). My experience with the XCR was it had a few teething issues during breaking in (Robarm doesn't deny the fact during break in there maybe some issues) but after break in is a flawless accurate rifle. My Sig 551 was flawless out of the box no issues about the same accuracy as my XCR but is quite front heavy even though it has a 14.3" barrel it feels more front heavy than the xcr. As well has the reciprocating charging handle on the right side of the rifle which to say the least is awkward if you are a right side shooter. From what I have been told the Swiss made 551 is a superior rifle compared to the 556 though I haven't actually got to handle a 556 cause I am in Canada. The Tavor is an equally accurate rifle compared to both the Sig 551 and XCR but the ergos are something to get used to but points easy and because the weight is all on your shoulder is easy to hold on target for an extended period. It has also been flawless. Because of being in a Bullpup configuration the overall length of the rifle is very short even though it has an 18.7" barrel giving the rifle excellent ballistics. As for the AR's I have tried they all have been flawless for myself as well as accurate.
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    I've owned both the Sig 556 and the XCR. I'll start first with the 556.
    I bought the Swat version. The railed handguards did not line up with the top of the upper receiver, about an 1/8" lower. Everytime I would take the handguards off, they would scratch off the less than durable finish on the receiver down to the bare metal. I wasnt a big fan of the spot welds on the outside of my upper receiver holding the rails on the inside together. They were uneven, some depressed, some were raised, not something I expected from a $1700 rifle. When it came time to finally shoot the rifle, it would not shoot reliably on the normal gas setting. Even being completely spotless and well oiled, the only way it would shoot reliably was if the gas was on high. The trigger to me is horrible. It felt really spongy so if your used to AR-15's then it would take a little practice. All in all, I put about 200 rnds through the rifle and was not happy. Turned around and had it on sale at Gunbroker in less than two weeks. Also there is another Forum Member, Variable Binary, who has had some major problems with his 556. Might want to do a search of some of his threads.
    After I sold the Sig, I bought the XCR. Couldnt have been happier. Everything fits tight, looks good, functions great. I have put about 700-800 rnds through mine with only a couple of malfunctions that were due to a faulty magazine letting the rounds nose dive. I tossed that magazine and have had 0 malfunctions since. The ergonomics are great. Everything just feels natural. I would not hesitate to buy this rifle again in a heartbeat.
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    Thanks for your unbiased opinions.

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    My :2cents:

    The FS2000 works great and is quite accurate when using a decent optic and 75-77g loads. About 1.25-1.5MOA. The ergonomics are good and if you can get past the bulpup architecture, not an issue for me as I trained on an L85A1, you'll find it a nice tool as it is compact and efficient. It also handles dirty conditions very well. Muzzle velocity matches a full size rifle, as it has a 17.4" barrel, so you will find the 5.56/.223 round to be very effective despite the small package.

    The 556 is a good rifle, but has old school ergonomics. It's accurate and reliable but suffered from some early quality issues and market perception because it wasn't a 551. Odd considering how many of the parts are the same and other changes were seen as improvements.

    The XCR is a great platform, it had some early quality issues but with the new trigger, gas system etc.. it is a very capable and useable platform. It can be very accurate if you tune the load to the rifle and is capable of 1MOA with relative ease. It does need a break in as most of the working parts are unfinished after the coating process and thus need to be worked together. After this the rifle is virtually flawless and the support is very personal.

    If you want something different then the FS2000 is fun. If you want something for general purpose use which can be played with go for the XCR. The only reason to buy the SIG is because you specifically want a SIG.
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    I don't have a SIG or FS2000- but (if you look as my thread in the "field" section) I have a brand new XCR. It came with the new trigger and ambi safety, and I can absolutely say there have been no problems. Being in Canada, we don't have the Wolf brand ammo that you do- so I have used Winchester 55gr white box and 62gr ss109 for the 300+ rounds that I have fired. Not a single problem. As well, I haven't used the old triggers, but the new version that came with my XCR is comfortable and quite comparable to a GOOD AR trigger. (I'm not an AR match guru so I can only speak for good and bad, not match) The ease of adjustment with the gas system, and the overall simplicity impresses me. I am happy with the rifle, and I had to pay twice the price you can get it for in the US!

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