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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasChris View Post
    When people trust the development of their child's mind to a person they don't trust to be armed we have a problem.

    But we have many problems....that's just a drop in the bucket.

    Well said. All of the "Gun Free Zone" signs around our school will stop no one other than a law abiding CHL holder. I do know of one small school district in Texas that allows faculty with CHL's to carry at school. Most major metropolitan districts in Texas have at least one or two armed police officers at each campus. One is usually outside patrolling where the other is located by the main entrance. All other exterior doors are locked from the inside after school starts and will only open from the inside, sort of like a fire exit.

    The Sandy Hook school had a similar locking the doors system with access to the school by ringing a buzzer outside the main entrance. They are still trying to figure out how he gained access to the school.
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    Re: CT elementary school massacre

    Quote Originally Posted by MrChem View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasChris View Post
    When people trust the development of their child's mind to a person they don't trust to be armed we have a problem.

    But we have many problems....that's just a drop in the bucket.

    Well said. All of the "Gun Free Zone" signs around our school will stop no one other than a law abiding CHL holder. I do know of one small school district in Texas that allows faculty with CHL's to carry at school. Most major metropolitan districts in Texas have at least one or two armed police officers at each campus. One is usually outside patrolling where the other is located by the main entrance. All other exterior doors are locked from the inside after school starts and will only open from the inside, sort of like a fire exit.

    The Sandy Hook school had a similar locking the doors system with access to the school by ringing a buzzer outside the main entrance. They are still trying to figure out how he gained access to the school.
    Pretty much the same here in Florida as well, they are school police officers and in addition some of them have a LEO that lives in a house or trailer on campus.

    I guess in CT they figure because of their strict ownership laws, No One will have a firearm that they are not supposed to have.

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    Ya know....think about it. The problem isn't guns/knives or weapons. It's men. Women rarely go on these killing sprees. Testicles are the problem. We need to ban testosterone or testicles or men in general.

    That'll solve the problem. For good. Eventually.

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    Well, without kids to feed and clothe... there'd be more money for guns and ammo too. Win-win.

    No kids for maniacs to shoot at too. Problem solved. Too soon?
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    Re: CT elementary school massacre

    I wanted to put this up as I found it interesting. It is an email I got today..

    I will just cut and past it....


    Rep. Richardson's Newsletter
    School Safety & Campus Responders
    December 17, 2012
    We continue to mourn with the families of 20 children and 6 adults killed last week in Sandy Hook Elementary School. I am frustrated over our failure in America to protect our school children and teachers from future attacks. President Obama rightfully told the grieving families in Connecticut “Surely we can do better….” and “We are not doing enough and we will have to change.” The question is what kind of change will make our K-12 schools safer for our children and educators when the next mass murderer forces his way into another of our schools.

    This is a serious issue and I am looking for realistic alternatives for our school district administrators to consider before a copy-cat massacre occurs here in Oregon. Please do not think me insensitive to the grief being felt in Newtown, Connecticut and around America. This discussion results from last Friday’s tragedy and if a change in school policy results that saves even one life during the next inevitable school-killing rampage, then the lives lost in Newtown will not have been lost in vain.

    To focus our consideration on school safety, the debate over banning weapons will be addressed another day. There are already 250 million firearms in circulation in the USA and assault weapons were already banned in Connecticut before last Friday’s tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary. By sad coincidence a mad-man in China also entered an elementary school last Friday and used a knife to stab 22 children.

    In other words, instead of responding to the latest mass murder with calls for more gun-control, the real issue should be ensuring the protection of our children and educators from armed psychopaths. Currently, when a killer begins his rampage the only armed person in the school for at least five minutes after the sound of the first gunshot is the mass murderer.

    Training in classroom lock-down techniques is valuable, but passive. Classroom lock-down procedures alone fail to protect the children and adults who continue to be murdered before the police arrive. A police officer in every school is not the answer; a police officer would be the first target of a shooter and the cost would be prohibitive for most school districts.

    Lives would be saved by stopping the shooter. Seconds count when the police are five minutes away.

    To start the discussion, here is a simple, inexpensive way to enable immediate response after the first gunshot in a school is fired. Establish a program of Campus Responders.

    Campus Responders could be two or three responsible adult volunteers in every school (administrators, staff members, teachers or members of the community such as retired law enforcement or military personnel), who are enlisted and encouraged to obtain additional training and regular practice in the use of firearms. Each Campus Responder would have a firearm concealed on their person or locked and concealed in a secure metal gun box bolted in their desks. School district employees with prior military or law enforcement experience would be the initial candidates for this voluntary assignment. No one outside of school and district administration would know the identity of these volunteers.

    In short, having armed and trained personnel in every school would enable immediate response with lethal force if and when the lives of our children and teachers were endangered by a mass murderer.

    If this procedure had been implemented, the number of students and educators killed in every school massacre from Columbine to Virginia Tech to Sandy Hook might have been greatly reduced. (The same would be true if implemented by shop-keepers and mall personnel such as those in Clackamas) In Texas the Harrold School District’s “Guardian Plan” already has implemented such a policy. Under present Oregon Firearm Law, school districts already have the authority to do likewise. In Israel and Thailand armed school personnel save the lives of their children. In America the slaughter of our school children continues.

    To refocus this important debate let’s consider the following: (1.) Mass murderers may be armed with guns, knives, explosives, and, as we saw last year in China, even hammers. (2.) From the 1998 killings in Oregon’s own Thurston High School to last week’s massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary our students and educators have continued to be slaughtered in our public schools. (3.) There is less than a one in a million chance that a mass shooting will occur in a school on any given day. (4.) Police response times are at least five minutes; and, (5.) The costs are prohibitive and counter-productive to a quality education to turn our schools into educational prisons, with high fences, bullet proof doors and continual police patrols. Nevertheless, as last Friday’s tragedy reminds us all, school campus massacres continue to occur and our passive policies have failed to adequately limit the number of innocent victims once the rampage begins.

    What do you think of the idea of having 2 or 3 experienced and trained volunteers serve as armed Campus Responders? Do you have a better idea?

    If you have a serious comment on this important issue, please share your thoughts and ideas. Click Here.

    Thank you in advance for helping me (and through your comments, school district administrators), evaluate appropriate policy changes in preparation for the next mass murders on a school campus.

    Sincerely,

    Dennis Richardson
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    I swear I'm not the tin foil hat type, but it just seems like the secret government lab activated all their patsie's implants at the same time.

    The next guy will show up with a screw gun and a wheelbarrow full of gasoline.



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    Well...the aurora shooting and the CT shooting aren't even seperated by one degree. Both fathers were expected to testify in the ongoing Libor fracas.

    "The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined $1.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasChris View Post
    Well...the aurora shooting and the CT shooting aren't even seperated by one degree. Both fathers were expected to testify in the ongoing Libor fracas.

    "The father of Newtown Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza is Peter Lanza who is a VP and Tax Director at GE Financial. The father of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes is Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO. Both men were to testify before the US Sentate in the ongoing LIBOR scandal. The London Interbank Offered Rate, known as Libor, is the average interest rate at which banks can borrow from each other. 16 international banks have been implicated in this ongoing scandal, accused of rigging contracts worth trillions of dollars. HSBC has already been fined =00000190118.9 billion and three of their low level traders arrested."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/libo...ere-to-testify
    The connection is pretty odd coincidence........if it's true.
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    ....think it's gonna turn out to be rubbish.

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    From http://www.facebook.com/gfaArmsTec

    Regarding Newtown Connecticut
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    We at GFA ArmsTec would like to offer our most sincere condolences to the families of the innocents murdered in Newtown, Connecticut.

    We here are all fathers of school aged children who attend our local public schools. Our children were in school as this terror unfolded. When the scope of the evil that overtook Sandy Hook Elementary became clear, every one of us as parents immediately thought of our own children and longed to have them in our arms where we could be certain they were safe.
    Whenever violence is perpetrated against a child, a loving parent cannot help but feel compelled to embrace their kids and assure them and ourselves that everything is okay. All of us here cannot imagine the tremendous and terrible emotions that must overcome the parents and families of these innocents.
    We pray that they receive from God some comfort as they await reunion with their children.

    As to the remedy for situations such as these, we are adamant that the gift of life is to be defended.
    Whatever form malice takes when it seeks to destroy the innocent, be it mental illness run amok, terrorism, or evil that seems to defy a classification, it must be answered swiftly and without apology. Our little ones are truly defenseless and count on us as parents and adults to keep them safe.
    Is there an adult ( who may not even have kids of their own) that would not do anything in his power to defend the life of a child against a rampaging murderer? Is it not the moral responsibilty of anyone charged with the care of children to be commited to defending their lives if the situation calls for it? I as a parent am ready and willing to kill in the defense of my child, as are all who work here. There will be no apologies for that stance.

    It is the opinion of the staff at GFA that "Gun Free Zones" serve to promote the murder of innocents by offering up defenseless victims gathered in one location. Time and again, the cowardly lunatics who indiscriminately mow down their fellow citizens choose the most defenseless among us as their sport. Never has one of these vermin chosen to engage in these acts where his victims may be in a position to fight back effectively. Fighting back effectively means having the means and determination to kill the shooter before he may kill you.
    To engage in "lockdowns" where the shooter is locked into the school WITH the children who are prevented from fleeing is akin to being locked into a vehicle with the seatbelt on while you drive over a cliff.
    All of these instances play out the same way: While the children wait for other men with guns to show up and rescue them, they and their disarmed teachers cower in terror and wonder if they'll be counted among the dead.
    We as adults CAN do better than this. We can pretend to keep our children safe, or we can take responsibilty to keep our children safe.

    To further entertain the proven fallacy of "Gun Free Zones" as an effective means of protecting our school children is idiocy. It serves only to provide the illusion of safety while it in fact promotes the exact opposite. Signs with pictures of guns with red lines drawn through them do not deter murder. This fact is borne out by Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc. etc.
    It is proven that laws do not prevent crime, they serve only to punish it after it has been commited. What comfort is that for the parents of the babies murdered in Newtown, where a defenseless pool of victims was assured?

    If the President wants to take REAL action that would provide REAL safety for the kids, post a police officer at the front entrance of every school, or allow the teachers who may wish to carry a weapon for the defense of the children to do so. We need teachers who like parents, are willing to kill if need be for our kids, not teachers who are only willing to die with them.

    Had an armed security guard, or an armed teacher, or police officer been in the building when the shooting started, much suffering may have been prevented.

    Further restrictions on our right to self-defense using the atrocity at Sandy Hook as justification is the ultimate misguided paradox. What is needed is better defense of our schools, more access to the training and tools suitable for use in putting down vicious murderers and more adults willing to come forward and take real responsibilty to act as protectors of the most vulnerable.

    Fantasy and wishful thinking has had it's chance and it's results are clear. Those who wish to further restrict the rights of law abiding citizens to defend themselves and their families with the most effective tools at hand should carefully consider their actions. Private firearms save far more lives than are taken by evil acts and many millions of Americans are rightfully steadfast in their conviction that our rights are inherent, divine and inviolate. To further restrict the already over-regulated Right to keep and bear arms and thus punish the law abiding is to invite further division among the People. We hope the President and Congress consider carefully any unintended consequences resulting from Legislation passed in the midst of high emotion.

    Our thoughts remain with the victims and their families and we offer our prayers on their behalf to a righteous and loving God.

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