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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean K. View Post
    A friend and I are both seriously looking at this....but I can't help but think: it's still not nearly as nice as an XCR. Ya, it's cheaper....but I can't help but think putting that money towards an XCR-L (especially in my friend's case since he only has an -M) makes more sense.
    Totally. If you are already invested in the XCR-L, I really don't see a compelling case for this other than it being a different AR.
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    Give me a couple of months and I’ll probably order one to mess about with. I’ll post if I do.
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    I have always thought the AR18 was a better design then the AR. If the AR18 had the same level of upgrades and refinement I feel the 18 would have been a great rifle. I know some years ago they made a polymer lower but didn't upgrade much else. Brownells did a great great job of marrying the AR18 to the AR lower. Since the BRN180s has come out. I am really seriously considering getting an Areo Precision lower, putting the BRN180s on it. If you do it right you have this built for under a $1000. The AR180, Deawoo K2, and the Galil were my favorite rifles growing up in the 80s.

    Don't get me wrong I love my XCR-L I have a SBR lower. Its just heavy... I don't have much mounted on it. I have Vortex Red Dot, Troy Micros BUIS, and Magpul VFG. It still pushes 8lbs. Both the 5.56 and x39 11.5" barrels are not light. Anyway, I am looking forward to the BRN180s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dredd View Post
    I have always thought the AR18 was a better design then the AR. If the AR18 had the same level of upgrades and refinement I feel the 18 would have been a great rifle. I know some years ago they made a polymer lower but didn't upgrade much else. Brownells did a great great job of marrying the AR18 to the AR lower. Since the BRN180s has come out. I am really seriously considering getting an Areo Precision lower, putting the BRN180s on it. If you do it right you have this built for under a $1000. The AR180, Deawoo K2, and the Galil were my favorite rifles growing up in the 80s.

    Don't get me wrong I love my XCR-L I have a SBR lower. Its just heavy... I don't have much mounted on it. I have Vortex Red Dot, Troy Micros BUIS, and Magpul VFG. It still pushes 8lbs. Both the 5.56 and x39 11.5" barrels are not light. Anyway, I am looking forward to the BRN180s.
    I weighed a BCM 11.5" AR, a BCM lower with the projected 10.5" bbl upper weight of the BRN180s and a 10.5" XCR-L in 556.

    My pistol BCM lower weighs...2 lbs 1.5 oz. with the Shockwave Blade, Magpul MIAD, and JP 4 lb. single stage trigger.....so 6 lbs 1.5 oz. for a 10.5" BRN-180S with no mag or optics.

    My BCM complete pistol with 11.5" bbl is 5 lbs 12.20 oz. but that includes the Bravo KAG foregrip and a pair of the XS Big Dot 45º offset irons. So the BRN180s has an inch shorter bbl and ~5.3 oz. more weight than the BCM.


    By contrast, my XCR-L 5.56 with 10.5" light bbl in the pistol config with a Shockwave Blade & adapter, KeyMod upper, Troy Micro sights/BCM KAG and compensator is 6 lbs 11 oz...so the XCR is 9.5 oz. heavier still...but that's also with a Type 1 gas block. The newer models are lighter in several areas...the gas block, the carrier, the bolt and the folding adapter if you use the tailhook. I'd guess the latest gen would be at least 4-6 oz. lighter...putting it pretty close to the other two.

    Actually, looking at Rob Arms site...it appears the 9.5" bbl is now the standard pistol offering....so it's probably on par in terms of weight. That extra inch would reduce the weight the rest of the way down most likely. So...while still heavier than a DI AR, the latest XCR-L with the 9.5" bbl is probably pretty close to the BRN-180s weight.
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