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    Quote Originally Posted by fmunk View Post
    Sounds like a substantial amount, but if they are not doing most of it in-house...
    Exactly....that gross doesn't mean much if it costs them a grand or more to make the product.
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    I do know about the MAZAK 7 axis they have,
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    A M16 is a fancy city girl, sexy as hell, but a bit moody. It's all good as long as you take her to the clubs and get what she asks. If you cross the? line, its over.

    An AK is a naughty girl, all in latex and with a whip begging you to be naughty. The nastier you are the happier she is. Its clear that she wont dump you, you'll have to do that on your own.
    The XCR is the perfect blend of both. Sexy as hell but willing to let you beat her and filthy her up and then beg for more.

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    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

    The Data is available here. Personally I like my XCR but my Sig Virtus is cleaner in execution and what the XCR could have been with work.
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    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

    The Data is available here. It looks like they are made in batches and sold as and when. The data shows a very inconsistent flow.
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    Nice use of available resources Mickey!!

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    I suspect given the drop off in sales that they were selling rifles made in 2016 through 2017 and didn’t make any new rifles that year. You can clearly see where 2012-2016 export was the large share of the market but then sales seem to have fallen off a cliff.

    I can also see why the M might be preferable. I have a Sig MCX Virtus and it is really nice. The caliber conversion is easy to fit and spare rails are cheap enough. If I were in the market for an L type rifle I’d probably get another Virtus instead, whereas the M is still interesting for a 308.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyC View Post
    I suspect given the drop off in sales that they were selling rifles made in 2016 through 2017 and didn’t make any new rifles that year. You can clearly see where 2012-2016 export was the large share of the market but then sales seem to have fallen off a cliff.

    I can also see why the M might be preferable. I have a Sig MCX Virtus and it is really nice. The caliber conversion is easy to fit and spare rails are cheap enough. If I were in the market for an L type rifle I’d probably get another Virtus instead, whereas the M is still interesting for a 308.

    Most of the "cliff" pricing was probably due to the massive amount of ARs on the market and the drop in prices that went along with that kind of supply.

    Not an MCX fan personally. Biggest advantage I see to it is using AR triggers.
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    I like the virtus but it's got it's own issues as well. The XCR is still better suppressed, IMO. If RA made an XCR lower that would take AR triggers/safeties with the pic rail stock attachment, I'd buy a couple more. The MCX rails aren't bad and the only real area they beat the XCR in is being able to tuck a suppressor. The XCR is still the only true MULTI caliber option out there. Short stroke vs long stroke on the XCR vs MCX. The fit/finish on the latest XCR offerings are much better than they used to be. I'd take a $1100 virtus quick but I still prefer shooting my XCR.

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    The shit part is: I bet with a little welding, the RA triggers could be VERY good. They are pretty good for a factory trigger, but with a little work, I have a feeling they could be amazing.

    Wish I had the time to dick with it. I bought the disconnector to fiddle with it...just don't have time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean K. View Post
    The shit part is: I bet with a little welding, the RA triggers could be VERY good. They are pretty good for a factory trigger, but with a little work, I have a feeling they could be amazing.

    Wish I had the time to dick with it. I bought the disconnector to fiddle with it...just don't have time.

    The trigger, as it comes, is still pretty decent. In this day though most people want the ability to drop in something else, just because. The reasoning of wanting a "shorter receiver" is closing lots of doors for other gun hobbyists that may want something just a bit different then their ARs.
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