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    According to Navalbeaver's calc's I own 3 of the 1085 XCR rifles in the country as of 2018.
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    Converting Type 1 gas barrel to current (Type 3?), is it a matter of swapping gas block assemblies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fmunk View Post
    Converting Type 1 gas barrel to current (Type 3?), is it a matter of swapping gas block assemblies?
    Gas block and tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navalbeaver View Post
    I like the virtus but it's got it's own issues as well. The XCR is still better suppressed, IMO. If RA made an XCR lower that would take AR triggers/safeties with the pic rail stock attachment, I'd buy a couple more. The MCX rails aren't bad and the only real area they beat the XCR in is being able to tuck a suppressor. The XCR is still the only true MULTI caliber option out there. Short stroke vs long stroke on the XCR vs MCX. The fit/finish on the latest XCR offerings are much better than they used to be. I'd take a $1100 virtus quick but I still prefer shooting my XCR.
    Completely agree with the trigger thing, I think Alexís decision to do his own was a mistake. I canít comment on the current fit/finish as my rifle is in the first 200 made. But parts, support etc.... the Sig wins on that front. I always hoped Alex would up his game but heís been stuck in his own way for a long time. Iíll keep my XCR though, itís SBRíd and I have 5.56, 300blk and 6.8 kits for it along with several sets of spares so itís not going anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navalbeaver View Post
    Gas block and tube.
    You'll also need to file down the gas block allen screw if that part of your gas block is 'buried'...JFYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyC View Post
    Completely agree with the trigger thing, I think Alex’s decision to do his own was a mistake. I can’t comment on the current fit/finish as my rifle is in the first 200 made. But parts, support etc.... the Sig wins on that front. I always hoped Alex would up his game but he’s been stuck in his own way for a long time. I’ll keep my XCR though, it’s SBR’d and I have 5.56, 300blk and 6.8 kits for it along with several sets of spares so it’s not going anywhere.
    I don't think he had a choice. The way AR trigger groups are made necessitates a certain style of BCG....and with an AK/SAW type bolt as well as a primarily AK type design, he had to use a hybrid trigger.

    Looking at the way it's designed, compared to AR and AK triggers, it *appears* like it could be excellent. And frankly, having owned pretty much all of the high end AR triggers, I much prefer my custom welded ALGs in the AKs. They are sick....sub 2 lbs (really barely over 1 lb) and a super short reset and take up of 3/32".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean K. View Post
    I don't think he had a choice. The way AR trigger groups are made necessitates a certain style of BCG....and with an AK/SAW type bolt as well as a primarily AK type design, he had to use a hybrid trigger.

    Looking at the way it's designed, compared to AR and AK triggers, it *appears* like it could be excellent. And frankly, having owned pretty much all of the high end AR triggers, I much prefer my custom welded ALGs in the AKs. They are sick....sub 2 lbs (really barely over 1 lb) and a super short reset and take up of 3/32".
    The Virtus and the Brownells AR18 style uppers use short carriers and AR15 fire control groups. He once claimed that he designed his own because he wanted a shorter receiver for magazine flexibility. But given that he used STANAG magazines that doesn’t make any sense. The well is shorter but without dedicated magazines to take advantage it is a wasted effort. Also doesn’t make sense given how many design features were ‘borrowed’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyC View Post
    Completely agree with the trigger thing, I think Alex’s decision to do his own was a mistake. I can’t comment on the current fit/finish as my rifle is in the first 200 made. But parts, support etc.... the Sig wins on that front. I always hoped Alex would up his game but he’s been stuck in his own way for a long time. I’ll keep my XCR though, it’s SBR’d and I have 5.56, 300blk and 6.8 kits for it along with several sets of spares so it’s not going anywhere.
    You can find mcx small parts at sig and a couple of online retailers(osage,Midwest gunworks off the top of my head) and generally they're in stock. The Duo trigger is decent and you've got the geissele if you really want. I really like the skeleton stocks and the pic attachment setup. Barrels have been harder to track down lately and it kind of feels like they're getting ready to introduce gen 3? Virtus 2.0?

    Their pricing isn't great. Originally barrels came with bolts. Now it's just the barrel, no bolt at the same price. The bolt and handguard compatibility are a bit of a nuisance, not to mention the rattler with its proprietary upper/ handguard/ op rod. Virtus barrels are heavy profile only and you have to get an "le" version to get it in black. The CS at sig is spotty wrt the compatibility issue. The people on the phone would say different things and I was told that a configuration I'd been shooting for weeks wasn't possible.

    XCR guys should be familiar with some of the above

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    Shooting Sight makes excellent triggers for less popular rifles out of tool steel. I wonder, if enough of us got together, they might be convinced to come up with something. I have one of theirs in my Sig 556R. It's pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fmunk View Post
    Shooting Sight makes excellent triggers for less popular rifles out of tool steel. I wonder, if enough of us got together, they might be convinced to come up with something. I have one of theirs in my Sig 556R. It's pretty good.
    How many we talking?

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