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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyC View Post
    They were labeling their armor as NIJ certified when it really wasn't. In addition, for armor, it's just too complex for its own good. Armor held together by an adhesive is concerning as well. Their armor has so many components that QC is hard to maintain.
    They recieved DOJ certification after passing DOJ tests, but later had it pulled after they complained about the Army testing.

    For many uses Dragon skin works pretty well, there are a few Secret Service folks using it as well as Dip Protection guys also. It's probably not ideal for Military use but for CP work it would probably be fine. what it is however in Leve IV guise is heavy. Very heavy. Also the key problem of binding in soft vests, which it was designed to solve, has been controlled relatively well by their competitors so out to Level III it is no longer the king of the hill.

    Pinnacle tried a totally new approach, while their competitors tried incrementals. At the end of the day though use what makes sense to you.
    The NIJ certification for the dragon skin was pulled when pinnacle offers a 6 year warranty instead of the industry standard 5 year. NIJ pulled it because they claimed that pinnacle could not prove thier armour was good for the 6 years and thus was not NIJ compliant.

    For the record NIJ standards are pretty lame and very specific. When a vest or plate is certified, it really is ONLY good for the threats listed AND NOT OTHERS unless it has been tested for others.

    A good example of this is the recent debacle where several level III plates would stop the M855/SS109 round, BUT NOT the faster M193 round. The M193 was not part of the certification process and thus never tested. Problem was that the end users ASSUMED that teh M193 was a "lesser" threat and that it was covered.

    A better testing method is the FBI testing protocol. Also if you want to be covered for a particular threat, then ASK to be sure that the vest or plate you buy covers it.

    IMO, you really need look no further than AMI for a III or IV plate. Multi hit and very capable, not too heavy. Soft body armour would be the USArmor Enforcer Classic level IIIa vest. these are two top of the line offerings that do everything most armour wearers would need.

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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Mr. Jack-O, you know your shit, my friend.

    Spoke to Ryan O'Neil @ AMI today and I'll soon have front, back, and side plates for my carrier. Their demo video was mighty impressive too lol. 64 shots of everything up to .308 and 12 ga slugs stopped dead after getting run over a couple times by an suv. goddamn!

    had no idea there were plates out there with that kind of performance. thanks again for the heads up. I knew posting on here with all you genius types and subject matter experts was a good idea!

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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Me too, I'm impressed by that plate.
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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Wow, it does look pretty impressive.
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    I know right?

    All that and nobody disputes it's ability to do it either and at a price about 1/4 of the DS.

    If you read some of the independent testing, AMI insisted that the SAME plate be used for ALL tests in the battery. Other makers all send in multiples to be tested for each threat level. Says alot about the companies faith in thier product.

    best of all you dont have to XRAY is every year or worry about dropping it or something.

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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    I'm not LE or military so I got what I could actually buy ( A lot of places won't sell to civilians for Level IV).

    Here's what I ended up with for about $600.

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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00000111407
    Money to burn.. But thanks for the great info and testing.

    :-)

    What size plate was that ?
    No.....not my video....just one from the bulletproofme website. No way in hell could I afford to shoot one just to see how it would hold up. Sorry for the confusion....after re-reading what I wrote, I can see how you got that impression.

    It's a 10x12" plate...triple curved and clipped corners for the front plate.

    I have mine in a Blackhawk plate carrier.

    HTH,
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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    The level IV armor is the plate they have the video of shooting with the 5.56 at point blank range, etc.

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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00000111415
    So where is their Level IV armor ?
    I beleive that they have don't list it on the site. It may be a special request thing they have been providing to certain customers.

    Or they may not have one. Personally I aint to worried about it. The TAC3S covers the most common and available threats. If you are concerned about more, then throw a IIIA vest under it, that MAY do the trick.

    Are you really THAT concerned with a 30-06 AP, that you'd pick a delicate and much heavier lvl IV ceramic one shot plate over one like this?

    Also, Not sure what you meant about the pistol rounds at the lvlIII plate. that AMI plate stops multiple hits from all the listed threats, and has proven that in all it's tests.

    Ballistic protection is about what is MOST LIKELY not what is POSSIBLE. When you buy armour you have to ask yourself, what is more likely, A single shot from am M1 Garand using 165gr AP, or a double/triple tap from an AR using 62gr M855. What do I want a lvl III plate that will handle a burst of 9mm without harm, or a lvl IV plate that will crack after 2-3 shots from a 9mm?

    then you have to ask yourself "how often will i cart this stuff around and wear it?" The more likely you are to have it on or with you, the more protected you are. If you have to worry about water or heat or abuse damaging the things then you are gonna be less likely to have it on or around you, thus reducing the protection it can provide.

    When you understand the realities of what armour will do for you, the you stop playing the fringe scenarios and just get covered. A lvl IIa lightweight vest that you will wear everyday comfortably provides more coverage than a lvl IV plate in your trunk.

    THAT'S the harsh reality of body armour.

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    Re: Anybody own/know someone who owns Dragon Skin body armor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack A Sol View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 00000111415
    So where is their Level IV armor ?
    I beleive that they have don't list it on the site. It may be a special request thing they have been providing to certain customers.

    Or they may not have one. Personally I aint to worried about it. The TAC3S covers the most common and available threats. If you are concerned about more, then throw a IIIA vest under it, that MAY do the trick.

    Are you really THAT concerned with a 30-06 AP, that you'd pick a delicate and much heavier lvl IV ceramic one shot plate over one like this?

    Also, Not sure what you meant about the pistol rounds at the lvlIII plate. that AMI plate stops multiple hits from [b]all the listed threats, and has proven that in all it's tests.

    Ballistic protection is about what is MOST LIKELY not what is POSSIBLE. When you buy armour you have to ask yourself, what is more likely, A single shot from am M1 Garand using 165gr AP, or a double/triple tap from an AR using 62gr M855. What do I want a lvl III plate that will handle a burst of 9mm without harm, or a lvl IV plate that will crack after 2-3 shots from a 9mm?

    then you have to ask yourself "how often will i cart this stuff around and wear it?" The more likely you are to have it on or with you, the more protected you are. If you have to worry about water or heat or abuse damaging the things then you are gonna be less likely to have it on or around you, thus reducing the protection it can provide.

    When you understand the realities of what armour will do for you, the you stop playing the fringe scenarios and just get covered. A lvl IIa lightweight vest that you will wear everyday comfortably provides more coverage than a lvl IV plate in your trunk.

    THAT'S the harsh reality of body armour.
    marrandy,
    I think that Jack-O's comments were directed at me since I bought the Level IV plates, but he'll have to clarify.

    Does AMI actually sell that plate to civilians? I went with the ones I did solely b/c they were the only Level IV stand alone plates that I found that I could purchase. IIIA isnt' rated to stop 5.56 and if the SHTF, I figured that hunting rifles and ARs/AKs are likely longer range weapons (short of shotguns/pistols at closer range) that you might encounter. Obviously, it's better than nothing.

    I simply couldn't afford the IIIA supporting vest. The plates are $460, the vest was like $125 on clearance and I still had a little bit of money for molle mag pouches. Eventually, I'd like to get a supporting vest (well, actually two...one for me, one for the wife)....but it'll be awhile. The AMI plate would be a great thing to buy.....if it's available to civilians.

    Anyone know if they sell direct or of a distributor that will sell to the public?

    Thanks,
    Sean

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