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    Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    The RA trigger is more than double Springfield's trigger jobs. Is it worth it? Are there problems with either choice? I would like to here from people with experience from one or the other or both. Thanks.


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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    I first had my trigger done by Springfield, and then recently installed the new RA trigger. I have only dry-fired the RA trigger; haven't hit the range with it yet as there are currently no sights on the gun. :-\

    Anyhow, they break at about the same weight; RA trigger might be ever so slightly lighter. The biggest differences I can see so far are whether you want a 1 stage (BS) or 2 stage (RA), and of course the cost, with the RA trigger being over twice as much money.

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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    Bill has done a fine job on my XCR as well as an AR. I vote Bill and save the $$$ for ammo or other goodies. :
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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    I say get the Rob Arms trigger, you won't regret it. I have used both and I believe the Rob Arms trigger to be more durable, and in addition the pull is also lighter. Do it right the first time.

    I was one of the original "bashers" of the Rob Arms trigger. On most forums, I would have been banned for stating facts like this, but not this one!

    The original trigger was so horrible, not only was it the heaviest rifle trigger I have ever pulled, it was also very inconsistent. I had to do something about the trigger so I sent my lower to Bill. When I got it back I could not believe the miracle job that Bill did for only $50 at that. Could not believe how light and consistent the pull was. But over time, about 300 rounds later, I was getting a lot of LPS. Bill informed us here on this forum if I take out the "bend" in the trigger spring (which was done by Bill) it would give a more positive hammer strike, which it did, but it also made the trigger heavier. Check out Aziator's picture in the tech section so you can see what I am talking about.

    Then I installed my 7.62 kit with the heavier hammer spring, after doing this the trigger became really heavy, almost as heavy as the original. On top of that I eventually developed problems where sometimes the trigger would have a failure to return. I was going to consult Bill again, but then I thought I would just plunk down for a new trigger.

    The new trigger works great right out of the Box and I believe Tera said it could go through 10,000 cycles no problem Is that correct Tera? For me that is hard to believe since those numbers are more for "combat" triggers and not match triggers, which the new Rob Arm trigger feels like.

    Sucks that our guns did not already come with the new trigger, but then hey it happens, same thing with cars, we always wished we had the new stuff.

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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    Bill definitely does good work.I too however would vote for the Robarms trigger because it will be more reliable in the long run.Cartman also mentioned an issue I was going to bring up,light primer strikes.Now it seems that the new triggers geometry is such that even when using the heavier bronze spring intended for the 7.62x39 kit it didn't seem to effect the pull weight.That is what I mean by more reliable.You don't need to alter the hammer spring weight on the new trigger to get it to have a nice feel,which is what leads to the hammer not impacting the firing pin with enough inertia to detonate some of the harder primers.
    The Robarm trigger may feel like a match trigger,but I think judging from looking at the engineering of it,should be as reliable as a combat trigger.My only preference for the new trigger would be to have a two stage because I like a clean break for a target trigger,but this is excellent for what it was designed for.This trigger has more of a sweeping letoff instead of a glass rod,but it's just about a perfect feel for a combat trigger,I definitely wouldn't want it any lighter.



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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    your main worry would be parts availability in the future. We no longer make the old style trigger parts, and eventually will have none for replacements. Keep that in mind.
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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    Do both.

    The new trigger is really nice and a far better design, but as before the mating surfaces are not polished etc. Sending it to bill for a tune up would probably make it even better. Probably not a significant a jump as from the old trigger but still better.

    I got a new trigger when Terra sent me spares as my old disconnect failed. I have another on order and may either send it to bill, or may polish it myself to see what I can do.

    As stock however the new trigger is leaps and bounds better than the old unit. If someone needs spares for the old trigger, I have a few lying about! They'll never go back in my rifle.
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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    I noticed after dry firing one of my Springfield triggers in my 1st XCR, one of the trigger pins walks out of the receiver a bit. Anyone else have this issue? Isn't there some kind of roll pin to stop this from happening on teh XCR?

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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    are you talking about the hammer axis pin, or the trigger axis pin?

    check to make sure your cotter pin is in the hammer pin, and make sure the hammer spring legs are overlapping the trigger axis pin. The tension of the hammer spring legs is what holds the trigger pin in - if that tension has been overly compromised, that would explain a trigger pin walking.
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    Re: Bill Springfield trigger job or new Robinson Armament match trigger?

    I have not fired the new trigger but have read nothing but good stuff about it. I have a Bill S trigger job and can also attest to the fact it is the best $50 I have spent on my rifle. If you don't have the cash to get a new one go with Bill. If you have the cash I would probably just get the new one. I plan on running my Bill S trigger until it dies and will not fix it at that point will just get the new set up.
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