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1/7 was to stabilize the longer and heavier M856 tracer rounds, not much more than that. I'd like a 1/7 (1/8 would be just fine for me too) to run the 75-77gr slugs more accurately.
With the same ammo, my AR's and XCR shoot just about the same, but when you go to a heavier slug the AR outshoots it.
With the same ammo, my AR's and XCR shoot just about the same, but when you go to a heavier slug the AR outshoots it.
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That's all I was looking for Terra!
Given the option of buying the spousal unit another Coach purse or getting a new barrel, well, that's why I have a couch next to the reloading bench downstairs. I kid, I kid.
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sinjin- It's your world bro! I got your back!
The longest barrel I ever shot 223 out of was a 26" Remmy 700. Slow twist rate on it, varmint gun way back when. If you have the ability you can tailor your load to whatever it needs to do. Velocity, pressure, accuracy, whatever. You can even load a 223 to get a complete powder burn from the tacticool 12" barrel I personally want and minimize muzzle blast and signature...at the sacrifice of other attributes of course.
It's all about preference and what you want in the end. Do I need to shoot heavy slugs from a 223? No, and don't really that often anyhow, I just like to have the option.
The longest barrel I ever shot 223 out of was a 26" Remmy 700. Slow twist rate on it, varmint gun way back when. If you have the ability you can tailor your load to whatever it needs to do. Velocity, pressure, accuracy, whatever. You can even load a 223 to get a complete powder burn from the tacticool 12" barrel I personally want and minimize muzzle blast and signature...at the sacrifice of other attributes of course.
It's all about preference and what you want in the end. Do I need to shoot heavy slugs from a 223? No, and don't really that often anyhow, I just like to have the option.
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Slow down turbo! Just busting some chops here, no harm intended!
Accuracy is affected by a lot more things than just the barrel, that's just one small part of the big picture. I think we can all agree on that. The bulk of my long range shooting was while humping the M24, it was designed for that. We studied on the little details of why things are the way they are at distance but for the most part I was just good at doing it, it didn't matter much why it worked.
My comment about long barrels was in reference to the heaviest slug available at the time was the brand new Sierra 69gr matchking, the 1/10 twist of the Remmy would keyhole it at 25yds. Alas, no experience with a longer barrel and the newer slugs available now.
When a buddy gets a new rifle I am happy for him and as excited as he is. Doesn't matter if it's a fancy XCR or some plinker Enfield jungle carbine. I don't pass judgment because I feel my rig is superior. It's his preference and if he likes it, great! Once again, all things being equal, marksmanship is mostly mental. If you have confidence in your rig you'll be better off than having that small seed of doubt that says otherwise. If a 20", or a 54", barrel makes that easier, then so be it. Shoot it and have fun I say!
No foul intended here.
Accuracy is affected by a lot more things than just the barrel, that's just one small part of the big picture. I think we can all agree on that. The bulk of my long range shooting was while humping the M24, it was designed for that. We studied on the little details of why things are the way they are at distance but for the most part I was just good at doing it, it didn't matter much why it worked.
My comment about long barrels was in reference to the heaviest slug available at the time was the brand new Sierra 69gr matchking, the 1/10 twist of the Remmy would keyhole it at 25yds. Alas, no experience with a longer barrel and the newer slugs available now.
When a buddy gets a new rifle I am happy for him and as excited as he is. Doesn't matter if it's a fancy XCR or some plinker Enfield jungle carbine. I don't pass judgment because I feel my rig is superior. It's his preference and if he likes it, great! Once again, all things being equal, marksmanship is mostly mental. If you have confidence in your rig you'll be better off than having that small seed of doubt that says otherwise. If a 20", or a 54", barrel makes that easier, then so be it. Shoot it and have fun I say!
No foul intended here.
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Everything's gravy then! Hooray!
Barrel's are quirky things. A production barrel has to meet so many standards because who knows what is gonna get slung through it? And if it doesn't shoot 'Brand X' ammo to his/her expectations then every forum around will hear about it.
If money were no object you would turn a barrel for each bullet you would shoot and to meet your needed standard, for accuracy or terminally for instance. I think this is where you see some of the low-volume production barrels that are in odd twist rates, because they are being tailored more for a specific loading, like the 1/7.7 twist from Krieger and other places.
Barrel's are quirky things. A production barrel has to meet so many standards because who knows what is gonna get slung through it? And if it doesn't shoot 'Brand X' ammo to his/her expectations then every forum around will hear about it.
If money were no object you would turn a barrel for each bullet you would shoot and to meet your needed standard, for accuracy or terminally for instance. I think this is where you see some of the low-volume production barrels that are in odd twist rates, because they are being tailored more for a specific loading, like the 1/7.7 twist from Krieger and other places.
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I have a 1/8 twist barrel on my table at work. Let the feeding frenzy begin. >
How many shoes would you like in trade??? I'll take it!
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Hey, I resemble that remark!
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It depends on the bullet too. Thin skinned varmint or "match" bullets will blow apart easily for sure. We've run M193 out of our 1/7's without much troubles for years. If you bench them you'll see a little difference in accuracy of course but for punching holes, no worries.
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