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Well, I don't drink but if I did I sure wouldn't support them.
 

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The ad may be bullshit, but the slow erosion of our sovereignty and increase in illegal immigration from south of the border are all too real. Why is the far left and Democrats so interested in turning a blind eye to this? We already know they hate the USA and hope for it to fail, but what do they hope to gain?
 

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Republicans are just as accommodating and have just as much to gain from illegal immigration. This isn't a 'left vs right' thing.
 

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http://www.absolut.com/iaaw/blog/in-an-absolut-world-according-to-mexico

They have issued an apology. I haven't read it all but I might pile on the not going to drink them party. Even though I didn't drink it anyway.... I'll boycott it.

I've already sent out an email to some people with the links to mankin's site as well as absolut's "apology" .... I NEVER send out stuff like that... this PO'd me... I hope it hurts their sales.

*EDIT* Also thanks for this.... this has lit a fire under my ass and I'm trying to spread the word ...

Email sent to marketing department sent, bulletin posted, email to family sent.... what else??
 

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It's always easiest to look upward to the Government and blame out politicians for screwing up our country. The real blame is to be placed by looking around. The citizens of America are the ones that have let this country go down the toilet. We are a bunch of fat, lazy, complacent people. As long as we have our 40 hour work week, and can go home and eat dinner then watch whatever our preferred entertainment is on TV, we are mollified. We will quickly complain about the price of gas, the Mexicans, whatever. But very few will actually write a letter or start a petition or even VOTE. We believe that our government is going to take care of things, but their not.

We are doomed by our own doctrines. Gradually, Mexicans (or others) will grow in areas, then elect officials to represent them (which is their right), then laws begin to change. It will take many years, but things will change. It has already happened in SoCal. Look at the spanish street signs in FL. I can show you a section of here in ATL where there is not a word of English signs for blocks (except it's Korean or Viet or something).

sorry, I'm gonna stop before I get tooo worked up.

BTW. I drink Grey Goose vodka, but I'll boycott them too if I need to. :(

EDIT to the above statement. Present company excluded of course. Generaly gun owners are quite active in poitical affairs.
 

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Hey rough,

I didn't mean to retort to you, that just got me worked up in particular :) Normally doesn't have that affect.
 

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LOL! I didn't know Absolut made beer?

I don't drink vodka or hard liquor at all and only occasionally will have a beer or some wine.
 

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As for the advert, it's just an advert, and it's generated interest among people who haven't even seen it. Get over it.

I think one of the problems here is the way everyone drops into sub-groups. If you see a Black Frenchman he doesn't call himself an African Frenchman, he just refers to himself as French. A guy in Britain with Italian ancestry doesn't refer to himself as Italian British, just British.

People need to get over it and accept that they are one nation. As for the fat, lazy comment, you forgot to add ignorant. Look at the assholes leading the race for president. Most Americans have no idea of the state of the world or that this country is falling behind. I can not agree that this is the greatest country on earth because I don't believe there is such a thing, but the US as a nation is throwing away great potential. the people are allowing themselves to be led by people with personal and short term agendas.

Sorry Lex, I know this isn't the place for this diatribe so I'll stop.
 

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People used to be nomadic hunters and gatherers. They evolved into a society with nation states. I don't think anyone can say with certainty if this was a positive evolutionary path in the long term, after all we've existed as nomads longer than we've existed with nation states. It's up for debate if all the wars we've had, famines, suffering and damage to the planet make this path sustainable. Where am I going with this? Just to say that I do not consider myself a patriot or nationalist or socialist. I'm an individual made up of a single mind and body, my interactions with other individuals and my physical environment. I will do whatever it takes to survive (to the extent I can stick to my principles) and help those I care about to do the same. I will defend the people I know, my community but I cannot rationally defend with my life an abstract idea such as a 'nation'. It is difficult for me to express my perspective in words because I'm still trying to understand it. Suffice it to say that I too am not worried about illegal immigration. Whether it is illegal is merely a random chance of who was in power at the time and what special interests they were serving when they passed the particular laws that made it harder/easier to immigrate.

Take what I say with a grain of salt because I am a rational person and do not believe in faith. People who believe in things would not agree with me and that's cool just as long as they don't force their beliefs on me.
 

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Lex, that's a good approach.
 

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The ad may be bullshit, but the slow erosion of our sovereignty and increase in illegal immigration from south of the border are all too real. Why is the far left and Democrats so interested in turning a blind eye to this? We already know they hate the USA and hope for it to fail, but what do they hope to gain?
The slow erosion of sovereignty helped along by outsiders feels pretty shitty, huh? Congrats, you have just put your feet in a Hawaiian's shoes. ;)
 

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People used to be nomadic hunters and gatherers. They evolved into a society with nation states. I don't think anyone can say with certainty if this was a positive evolutionary path in the long term, after all we've existed as nomads longer than we've existed with nation states. It's up for debate if all the wars we've had, famines, suffering and damage to the planet make this path sustainable. Where am I going with this? Just to say that I do not consider myself a patriot or nationalist or socialist. I'm an individual made up of a single mind and body, my interactions with other individuals and my physical environment. I will do whatever it takes to survive (to the extent I can stick to my principles) and help those I care about to do the same. I will defend the people I know, my community but I cannot rationally defend with my life an abstract idea such as a 'nation'. It is difficult for me to express my perspective in words because I'm still trying to understand it. Suffice it to say that I too am not worried about illegal immigration. Whether it is illegal is merely a random chance of who was in power at the time and what special interests they were serving when they passed the particular laws that made it harder/easier to immigrate.

Take what I say with a grain of salt because I am a rational person and do not believe in faith. People who believe in things would not agree with me and that's cool just as long as they don't force their beliefs on me.
Nicely done.
 

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Lex - I tend to agree. I do believe individual protection does imply a role of a government. Now what specific role would require further details.. Local, State, Federal etc....

I do believe that in a rational society based on Capitalism,(the only moral system when individuals are the criterion for morality), you delegate your rights of protection to the government. Emphasis on delegate, since you own that right.

The government has the sole monopoly on the reactive use of force to protect the individual from criminals, foreign and dometic, contract abbrogation, and the judicial system for such other issues. This system should be based on rational Laws, not men.

If the support of the ideals embodied by this system that emphasizes and protects an individual is considered patriotic, then I am a patriot. WIthout this system, your right to live based on your rational mind would be abbrogated more so than it is today.

Now what that government has become... unfortunately the constitution implies this, but does not explicitly. But I do believe in support of the system (nation), that respects this philosophy. Unfortunately ours has left it.

How this would apply to immigration, would double the length of my post.

That would be a rational absolut world... (nice dovetail back to original thread,.. eh)

- see Capitalism - The Unknown Ideal - Ayn Rand -
chapters - Mans Rights - and - Role of Government
 

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I don't remember the exact quote or who said it, but it goes something along the lines of the greatness of a country is best measured by the number of people that want to enter it. Look to our current yearly immigration numbers, both legal and illegal and form your own opinion.

We also see a lot of opinions about how "evil" our current government is, yet there are people on this forum that are legal immigrants and visitors. I spent years in the military guaranteeing your rights to speak your opinions in the US, albeit sometimes more freely than others. Nobody is claiming we're perfect and, yes, a lot of the problems can be laid at the feet of both mainstream political parties. But don't blame me for being apathetic. I'm 61 years old and I've voted in every election since becoming old enough to be eligible. I also send emails, faxes, and call my elected representatives frequently since retiring from the military. How many can actually say that - if it was the majority we might not be in this situation.
 
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