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Look at the opportunity we have before us. Obama and his liberals have only won the welfare crowd who helped him get elected. Look at the center of this Country ,it is still red and the states here have adjoining borders. And the Red states have the oil ,and most of the Millitary bases along with the deep water ports of Texas.
The center doesn't need the two coast ,they desperately need us.
Yet they Treat us like crap or subjects. Tell us they will decide our rights for us.
Without them the center would flourish , and they would be stuck with Obama and thousands of starving idiots who got him elected.
California would become Mexico . So Obama needs to remember this ,it is to everyone's better interest to leave middle America in tact.
The East is only bums and decaying cites full of spoiled liberals ,who no one would want.
The few conservatives left on the coasts would find their way to the center , and if all the center states went for it quickly there wouldn't even be a war.
The coasts would be so consumed in defending themselves from within, as well as from the outside.
The choice is unpopular but simple. we stay here and become bullied ,unarmed second class citizens working for the Liberal elite.
Or we stay free men and take our own destiny upon ourselves.
They were all right though ,this country is going to change.
We just need to make this fact clear to them , and not let them use this to make us into the new subject class with the Blacks being our task masters.
Many country's out there would jump on the chance to do trade with the center States , no one is going to want the welfare cases loyal to who ? An idiot who has nothing to bargain with.
They won nothing ,they woke America up that we do not need these people to survive ,and steal elections and tax us to death for the bums they support.
 

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Hey dude,

50% of the US population lives within 50 miles of the coast.

The red states have had the presidency for 8 years. Was it all you'd hoped it would be?

Obama hasn't treated anyone like anything yet, because he's not even in office.

One side of your mouth said that anyone who didn't support Bush was unpatriotic. Now the other side of your mouth talks about standing up to the president elect?

Get bent.

That crap about "if all the center states went for it quickly there wouldn't even be a war" and "being the subject class to the Blacks?" In what century are you living?

When did this forum become a place for this kind of BS?

Jesus Christ...
 

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"being the subject class to the Blacks?" In what century are you living?
Wow! Exactly what I've pretty much known for years! Maybe someone can clue that particular issue to the blacks, that they haven't been oppressed by ****** for a long time now and as much as they have claimed. Although dissapointed, I can't see them hiding behind the "white guilt" curtain anymore. I really could care less regarding the President elects' color, gender, or whatever. I just don't care for the uber-liberal, anti-gun, never served, doesn't seem to be clear on loyalty to country, questionable associates, lack of quantifyable experience, and the list goes on. A black President? Sure, just not that one.

Regarding the rest:

8 years with a lousy President is better than 8 years with a shittier one. Too bad McCain (and Palin) didn't run against Bush.

I think the big shocker about how who will be treated, well something tells me blacks will have an eye opening experience.

And get bent? It's more like being boned. Especially our guys in uniform.


I truly believe todays elections people voted w/o foresight. Voted on pure BS fear. Of course the recent economic meltdown, foreign policy, well pretty much name the issue, is of course Bush's fault. Since he is a republican then anyone republican is at fault. And as far as 50%'rs, well lets say they most likely voted because A) person of color (anyone who is a non-white), B) Younger than his oponent, C) He's a male. Purely on emotional or irrevelant issues.

Hope? I sure hope he doesn't fuck it up. Chances are that he will. And I sure hope he doesn't gun for our, excuse the pun, guns. I'm positive that he, along with the House and Senate will.

I don't think PE Obama is anything as scary as Michelle.

My predictions for our newly elected PE who will be inheriting the country in the worse economic crisis in 70 years (still haven't seen the worse yet) is higher taxes, higher interest rates, AW and high cap gun bans, decimate military, a definite move to a g'vmt health care, amnesty to illegal aliens, well at least to the ones who remained. That's the bulk of it. Pretty much a lot of what Billy left it off at plus a bit more. I'm just ready to laugh when I hear the next lower numbers of who will get a tax break, more specifically who won't. Can someone say it'll be a notch above poverty level?

And what does Jesus Christ have to do with this?
 

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Does this mean I can pack my bags...I am sure Obama will keep his promise and pull troops out of Iraq.

I just don't understand peoples mentality. yes, most probably voted out of fear or guilt. Whatever. Obama is still a tool, even if he is PE. Now we get 4 years of I told you so to all the liberals when this place goes down the tubes even further. The problem is most will think the further move down and left is good.
 

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Any reasonable person has to acknowledge that Obama overwhelmingly won the African American vote.Whether you choose to believe this was racially motivated or not is your prerogative.My opinion is that it was on varying degrees of sincerity.Some AA's voted for him simply because of skin color alone and have relatively no idea what he stands for.
Others,in my opinion,voted for him because they believe they have been wronged by the Caucasian community and therefore are owed something.After all who do you think he was trying to appeal to with his entitlements programs.He didn't market them as such,but thats what they are no matter how you slice it.
I don't mean to make this about race on my part because it's not.That does not mean that Obama won't run the country with a racial agenda.True,no one knows what he will do when he is actually in office ,but you have to judge the man on his past actions and associations.He doesn't have a long Senate record,but it's a very clear one.He will hand out money to those that have neither earned it nor deserve it.
He,along with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will govern with an extremely left prejudice.The ways in which they will attempt to and probably succeed in FUCKING us over are endless.
It is my firm belief that this asshole will eventually be seen for what he truly is,the greatest con artist since Mien Führer.The question is will his reign of terror be reversed,once he is no longer in power.He truly has a gift for holding people in awe and reverence for himself.I've never seen anything like it.Frankly,it scares the hell out of me,Because I know how far propaganda can take a cause that many people get behind because they are fooled into believing it.
The bottom line,boys and girls,is that you better batten down the hatches cuz we are in for one hell of a shitty storm the likes of which we have never seen in this country.



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You have it backwards. Everything you have said about Obama is speculation. You seem to be really afraid of what you think he's going to do. I guess that means that you voted for McCain out of feac. You have no idea what kind of man Obama is, and obviously you don't care to find out. That's your problem. You're happy to believe what other people have said about him. If you believed everything that people said about McCain and Palin, than they were even more unelectable.

I don't have the time or patience to explain why people voted for Obama. Yes, some people were motivated by race. However, for you to claim that was the primary reason is absurd. It is obvious that you have no capability of understanding other people's viewpoints. As such, you can only ascribe their different beliefs to stupidity or fear or guilt. It's dismissive and it says more about you than it does about the people you are describing.

This forum used to be about the XCR. Now it's a fucking sounding board for Hannity and Rush.
 

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Considering I am a Canadian, I couldn't vote in this election. But if I had I would not have voted for Obama. I will give you my reasons why.
- He is anti free trade which affects me directly and indirectly.
- He is anti gun which also affects me directly and indirectly.
- He is anti Canadian Oil (Biggest reason for me as I work at a newly started up Oil Refinery) He could put me out of my job.
- He is a socialist which is typically bad for Canada in both influence and trade.

Now I cannot say if he or McCain would/will do a good job of Governing the US but I know Obama is bad for me personally at least from what he has said during his campain, whether he follows through on what he has said is another story.
 

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Bitching now (and to the choir at that) is not going to be doing any more good folks. We lost. What is done is done.

How about some ideas about the *best course of action* moving forward? i.e. the most effective ways to oppose the Obama agenda. What can we do with a Dem supermajority in Congress and White House? It may look bleak, but effective action is the only course.

Voting with votes isn't enough right now folks. Over the next four years, our people are going to need two things: A strong, level headed voice, and $$$$$. Those are the two things that can make a difference on game day four years from now.
 

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Hey, chill out.

Obama won. Great. Now he has to deliver on his promises and right now, in this economy he stands a greater likelihood of failure than success. If he also alienates 50% of the US population by raising taxes and banning guns etc... he will only make his reelection in four years that much harder.

Bush can carry the blame for Obama's win. He has done nothing in the last four years to endear the nation to the right wing. Obama winning is not necessarily the end of the world. He wants to change the way a government runs, do you think all 270 democratic congressmen want to change the world, their comfortable little world.......I doubt it. At worst we have 2 years to get through and then the House elections will allow the country to vote any displeasure. If in 2 years he has raised taxes on the majority of Americans, not paid down some national debt, not fixed the economy or pulled out of Iraq and destabilized the region he will be seen as a fraud or worse.

If he governs according to his ideology then America will reject him, if he doesn't then he will be seen as a fake.

Remember if he doesn't make the Bush tax cuts permantent then when they spring back to Clinton levels that will effectively be a tax hike. When he raises the Social Security contribution threshold to $250k that will be a tax hike. These are things he said he would not do for 95% of Americans. In a tough economy paying more taxes will only piss people off.
 

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...Everything you have said about Obama is speculation. ... You have no idea what kind of man Obama is, and obviously you don't care to find out.... You're happy to believe what other people have said about him.... It is obvious that you have no capability of understanding other people's viewpoints. As such, you can only ascribe their different beliefs to stupidity or fear or guilt. It's dismissive and it says more about you than it does about the people you are describing. ...
****, your words seem to suggest that you believe it isn't possible to take a sound and rational position regarding Obama and his politics without letting him be President, first, just becase he's a 'really good guy', and waiting to 'see how it goes'. Much about Obama's social and political ideology, convictions and intentions is a matter of record and, if one's own ideolgy and convictions are sufficently different, as are mine, then I think it is safe to say that voting for him is the wrong move, even if one genuinely likes the guy. Anyone who is voting for Obama just because they think he's a nice guy, or is well spoken, or has good hair, or can say the word "nuclear" correctly are, in my opinion, part of the problem.

I would add that your comments seem to be tinged with ideological relativism. I get the impression you believe that it isn't appropriate for me to reject Obama based on his stated and demonstrated ideology, because someone else might approve of that very same ideology. This is an intensly flawed view. The intentions of the Democrat party for the future of this country are either the best and most beneficial of the options available or they are not, and it's vitaly important that each and every citizen of this country attempt to determine which, and vote and act accordingly.

If you voted for Obama, I can only hope that you did so because you believe that "government works" and that we should "spread the wealth" and that it is the purpose of goverment to insure the individual health and prosperity of its subjects. I happen not to agree with those sentiments, but I can respect anyone who acts consistently and rationally on their own convictions.


This forum used to be about the XCR. Now it's a fucking sounding board for Hannity and Rush.
And you're in here blowing just as much hot air as anyone else. All of this is in the Politiking section. What, exactly is wrong with posting politics related options here? You're free to ignore it, if it suits you to do so.
 

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It's pretty much a plain fact Obama, and most dems are anti-gun. If you are a Pro Obama and come on to a gun forum bitching as to why we don't see you point of view you've come to the wrong arena.

It's more like you don't see our POV and your purpose to be here becomes questionable.

This is the Politics section so politics are being discussed.

My "spculations" are based on an entire lifetime seeing politics in this country and abroad. Could I be wrong? Yes, it's possible. Will I be wrong, I hope so, but I'll most lilkely be on target.

About blacks voting for Obama. Yeah, no shit. I think it was at 94 or 96 percent. Blacks predominantly vote dem by over 80% factor, so this isn't a surprise and Obama wasn't voted in by blacks, he was voted in by what politicians do and how they do it.

I don't suscribe that Obama will end the US. Far from it. But he will make things all out shitty to include certain weapon bans, hi-cap, and so on. If you think it will be different you are easily fooled. It won't just be Obama because it also takes Congress and the Senate to do it. Now we'll see how the GOP will sell out gun owners in order to make a deal with the devil(s).
 

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It is not speculation.I judge the man on his past actions,his spoken thoughts,and his associations.After all very few of the electorate knows him personally,so what else can you go by.His future promises? Hardly,we all know any politician will say what they think is necessary to get in office.
Am I scared of what I think he will do? Your GOD DAMN right I am.After witnessing what eight years of Bill Clinton can do,I cannot imagine another president with an even more extreme left agenda.Clinton was considered a moderate by many.Obama on the other hand is more far left than any other Senator. What I fear is our country being stripped of it's freedoms.
The problem here is most don't see the immensity of this.There are a possibility of four U.S Supreme Court Justices needing to be filled in the next four years.Do you think he will appoint conservative,or even moderate justices? Do you want the constitution rewritten from the bench?
The U.N has been trying to get us to sign a disarmament treaty,Which would basically void the second amendment.This of course would have to pass in Congress,and I don't think it would,but with a Democratic majority,I don't care to take that chance.
Do you want to see up to a 500% increase in tax on firearms and ammunition.What about a new "assault weapons" ban that would include any semi automatic rifle that uses a detachable magazine.That ain't just "Black" guns folks.Your Remington 7400 or your Ruger 10/22,c'ya.What about a national ban on concealed carry? Microstamping? O let me count the ways.
I did not however only vote McCain out of concern.While I don't agree with him on several issues,the difference between him and going down the dark road the alternative offers is not a hard decision.Obama was elected for several reasons.First because he isn't G.W.Bush,And because he motivated a hell of a lot of new voters,and mislead same.
Say what you want,but too many average American voters have very little idea of the issues.They know the economy is bad,but they don't understand why,or who caused it.They just blame it on Republicans,because the President is.You want to talk about my questioning motives.Your damn straight,I think people should have to answer a short basic questionare before being able to vote.If they don't know why their voting they should go the FUCK home! Everyone should know why they cast a vote,thats showing responsible exercise of freedom,and not just yelling fire in a crowded theater!!



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All I can say is yesterday 11-04-2008 was a "sad" day in this country. Obama really scares me. Obama sounds like Stalin, Hitler, or Chavez @ times. At least with the Clinton's, yes they were driven by power but also popularity. If the polls went to the left, they went left. If the polls go to right, they would go to the right. But with Obama I just don't see that. I hope I am wrong. But I think the American people bit off more than we can chew. But if I am right, God help us all.

Just my :2cents:
 

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WTF! Whatever Senator Palpatine has in store for us, let us answer this first salvo with our wallets! Terra where the heck is my receiver! LOL! ;D

Ladies and Gents we shall survive this too! Keep the heat on our pro-gun Congressmen and Senators at both the state and federal level. Start getting your "Zombie" gear in order because "Hurricane Barry" will undoubtedly have stronger staying power then Katrina or Ike.

Congratulations to the opposition, my prayers to the President Elect and may Heavenly Father keep him safe. He has nothing to fear from us law abiding gun owners, but I predict that there may be a Brutus within Caesar's entourage. His demise would further there ends dramatically and quickly, i.e. JFK Airport, MLK Boulevard, the Brady Bill all named after useful martyrs. I've said this about Bill Clinton and I'll say the same thing about Barry, I'd gladly give my life to save his, if nothing else to prevent his martyrdom, and what it would bring. How's this? "The Barak Obama Crime Prevention Act of 2009". Guys and girls, let us pray for his good health, his safety and success at peace, not appeasement but peace. I remain a sceptic, and I fully expect a reincarnation of a mutant Neville Chamberlain, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton with some paranoid Richard Nixon thrown in, but maybe, just maybe we may indeed "have peace in our time." Wouldn't that be a nice surprise?

The next election starts now! And I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of bubble gum!

Semper Fidelis!
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And you're in here blowing just as much hot air as anyone else. All of this is in the Politiking section. What, exactly is wrong with posting politics related options here? You're free to ignore it, if it suits you to do so.
Sinjin,

You make a good point. Thank you.

To everyone else,

I meant no offense. Just frustrated is all. My apologies.

Cheers.
 

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I'm sittin' here cleaning the XD40 I bought off of magik (thanks bro), laughing my ass off at this thread. It is good reading for sure.

Do I take the fact obama won lightly? - HELL NO - but let's all simply be vigilant and be prepared for whatever comes our way.
 

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Hey phalanx - you stated this shit - where you at to inject more controversy?? ::)
 

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Well, looking at the exit polls Obama won for several reasons. First of all, yes blacks overwhelmingly voted for him. This is not a surprise since blacks vote democratic almost 90% of the time. Secondly, he had extraordinary turnout from young voters (under 30) by over 2 to 1. The only age group McCain won was the over 50 crowd and even then it was just by 5%. Thirdly, Bush contributed to the McCain loss by absolutely ruining the Republican brand and reputation. Very respectable republicans lost their office only because they had an R by their name. Next is the economy. Need I say more? Obama used new media to get his message out like viral videos, texting, product placement in games and the internet very effectively Lastly, the Palin factor. She energized the base conservatives but alienated far more independents and moderate republicans. McCain needed those votes to win.

Face it folks. This is a democracy and the people have spoken, like it or not. It is still America and the greatest country on Earth. What should you do if you didn't like the outcome? Start with the local and state level elected officials and voice your opinion. Either support them if you like your local leadership or start working now to get them out of office. Instead of bitching and moaning, do something the next election cycle like volunteer. Just my :2cents:
 

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You have it backwards. Everything you have said about Obama is speculation. You seem to be really afraid of what you think he's going to do. I guess that means that you voted for McCain out of feac. You have no idea what kind of man Obama is, and obviously you don't care to find out. That's your problem. You're happy to believe what other people have said about him. If you believed everything that people said about McCain and Palin, than they were even more unelectable.

I don't have the time or patience to explain why people voted for Obama. Yes, some people were motivated by race. However, for you to claim that was the primary reason is absurd. It is obvious that you have no capability of understanding other people's viewpoints. As such, you can only ascribe their different beliefs to stupidity or fear or guilt. It's dismissive and it says more about you than it does about the people you are describing.

This forum used to be about the XCR. Now it's a fucking sounding board for Hannity and Rush.
You're right, this forum used to be about the XCR. And you're right again that we don't know what BO will do except for one. That concerns what this forum is about; Guns! Here his record is clear! Did I emphasize it enough? Just look up Illinois gun laws and his voting record. One of only two states without CCW. Even NY & CA has discretionary carry. Also no guns in Chicago as well as keeping them from the group where needed most - housing projects, although the gangsta's have them. Believe me when I say this is not about black or white. It is about the second amendment and here is where you cannot defend the man!
Since YOU brought up Hannity & Rush I will mention that BO does not have the balls to go on their programs and answer tough questions. These programs are not scripted and guess what? Neither is being President! DOH!!
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