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I have renamed this board "XCR Medium" based on what it says in the FAQ. Maybe Robinson Armament is going to use "Heavy" for a .50 caliber rifle? :eek:
 

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Has anyone seen a photo of the upcoming XCR-M in .308??? It will be interesting to see if they follow the same lines?
 

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I've got a feeling that many manufacturers are starting to stray away from .308's because of recent and humongous price increase in ammo, I believe mostly due to surplus exhaustion from need in Iraq. Metal cost, dollar devaluation, the UN are "the other" factors, but manufacturers are working OT to supply the US and other governments. When that rush is over I see 5.56 hugely available and to some extent 308 but seeing how 308 ran dry pretty quick now shows what is in the future for 308. 6.8 military future is up in the air but it is one round that somebody somewhere is going to want in demand b/c it is currently the best option to convert anything AR like into a bigger caliber. Personally, if someone got off their duff and made quality 7.62x39 mags for AR wells they will make a killing.
there so many guns that shoot 308 though. is it just that iraq sucked it all up? when iraq is "over" will people pick it up again. because i'm looking at all these really promising platforms but they're all useless if we can't afford to practice.
 

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That's my chief objection to .308 at the present time. There's simply no ammo for them out there. You have to reload, and it's not cheap. Not anymore.

Yeah, I like .308, but it's just not a practical everyday round like it was 10 years ago. The new intermediate calibers (6.8, 6.5, even the .30 Russian) are more affordable (far more so in the case of the stubby Russkie) in lighter existing rifles. In the case of the 6.5, you also have most of the ballistics of the .308 even out to 1000yds.

Would I buy an XCR-M? Really, I don't know. It would depend how things are when the gun is released. Right now, I'd have to say I'd probably pass, since it's a dedicated .308 platform. There isn't anything it could be readily converted to that would be cheaper to shoot or even better. Yeah, you could have a .260 or a 7-08, but so what? Neither is as cheap at the 6.5 or 6.8 and the .260 arguably isn't significantly more effective ballistically than the 6.5. Magazines would be simpler, but that's about as far as it goes advantage-wise.

The fact is I have a .308 self-loader and I never shoot it. Like once a year. Without readily available and relatively inexpensive ammo, the .308 just doesn't offer all that much. If I have to reload, it's cheaper for a 6.5 or 6.8 rifle and (at least in the case of the 6.5) I get most of what I had with .308.
 

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There is still a market for .308, but I agree it's become expensive. I can now load match quality for less than I can buy susplus, but it doesn;t stop me shooting the caliber. I just shoot a little less.
 

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what is the revolution that needs to happen for .308 to become "affordable" again or at least comparable to .223 (no chance it's going to be as cheap as 7.62 soviet?).
 

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Slower demand and a drop in raw materials prices or a rise in the value of the dollar. Raw materials are getting more expensive as demand increases and outstrips supply. Producers don;t make more because they like the higher prices. The falling dollar compounds that issue by increasing the rate at which the price rises.

Surplus stocks have dwindled because the US is consuming them in Iraq. since the war started surplus stocks have steadily reduced as has the supply or surplus 308 brass.

7.62x39 tends to be made with less powder and cheaper components and is hence...cheaper.
 

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Many do and some companies have contracts to clear the brass.
 
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