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Wasn't sure if this topic was already posted, but this comes as no surprise:

Washington DC Already Planning To Restrict Law-Abiding Citizens 2nd Amendment Rights

The following is a memo sent to Washington, DC residents by Cathy Lanier, Washington, DC Chief of Police:

From: Lanier, Cathy (MPD)
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:35 PM
Subject: Supreme Court Update

Residents,

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court today struck down part of the District of Columbia's handgun ban. I wanted to drop you a note to let you know the immediate impact of this decision.

The Supreme Court's ruling is limited and leaves intact various other laws that apply to private residents who would purchase handguns or other firearms for home possession. It is important that everyone know that:

a.. First, all firearms must be registered with the Metropolitan Police Department's Firearms Registration Section before they may be lawfully possessed.
a.. Second, automatic and semiautomatic handguns generally remain illegal and may not be registered.
a.. Third, the Supreme Court's ruling is limited to handguns in the home and does not entitle anyone to carry firearms outside his or her own home.

Lastly, although the Court struck the safe storage provision on the ground that it was too broadly written, in my opinion firearms in the home should be kept either unloaded and disassembled or locked.

I will comply with the Court's reading of the Second Amendment in its letter and spirit. At the same time, I will continue to vigorously enforce the District's other gun-related laws. I will also continue to find additional ways to protect the District's residents against the scourge of gun violence.

Residents who want additional information can visit the Metropolitan Police Website at www.mpdc.dc.gov/gunregistration. Residents with questions are encouraged to contact the Firearms Registration Section at 202-727-9490.

Sncerely,

Cathy Lanier
 

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Read the contents of the MPDC web site carefully:

www.mpdc.dc.gov/gunregistration

Are there restrictions on what kinds of handguns residents will be able to register and possess?

Yes, under District law that the Supreme Court did not disturb, automatic and semi-automatic handguns generally may not be registered. Revolvers in the home will be legal and, as before, residents remain free to register most shotguns and rifles. Those with questions about specific firearms should contact the Firearms Registration Section of the Metropolitan Police Department at (202) 727-9490 or visit the Department’s website at www.mpdc.dc.gov/gunregistration.

What other restrictions will there be on handguns?

The new rules will allow handgun possession in the home only, and only by those who properly register their handguns with the Metropolitan Police Department. The Supreme Court has not altered the legality of carrying handguns outside the home. Given the potentially tragic consequences of storing a firearm without a trigger lock, residents are strongly urged to utilize such locks which may be obtained free of charge from the Metropolitan Police Department.

What will you do about residents who already own handguns despite the handgun ban?

The District government will establish an amnesty program under which they can register their handguns without fear of prosecution for having possessed a handgun in violation of District law. Of course, the program will not protect anyone who committed a separate crime under District or Federal law with that handgun.

Can people register as many handguns as they like?

The forthcoming regulations to be issued by the Metropolitan Police Department will answer questions such as how many weapons residents can register, and will likely limit registrants at least initially to one handgun each.
 

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What kinds of hand guns are not semi-automatic? Isn't a revolver semi-automatic too? I've never heard of any modern handguns that were not semi-automatic.
 

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No sir, revolvers are not defined as semi-automatic.

Here is the excerpt from the MPDC:

Are there restrictions on what kinds of handguns residents will be able to register and possess?

Yes, under District law that the Supreme Court did not disturb, automatic and semi-automatic handguns generally may not be registered. Revolvers in the home will be legal and, as before, residents remain free to register most shotguns and rifles. Those with questions about specific firearms should contact the Firearms Registration Section of the Metropolitan Police Department at (202) 727-9490 or visit the Department’s website at www.mpdc.dc.gov/gunregistration.
 

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The letter reads as if written by a Nazi Governor General to the people of a conquered country...
 

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How much do you want to bet that to obtain a "free" trigger lock - that you will have to provide the Serial Number of the weapon it will be used on - and that if it is not on their "list" - then you will be targeted / investigated or heavily scrutinized at some point in the future...

I'm currently of the opinion "Trust No One in MPDC"
 

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Can you call a woman a prick? :mad:

I sent her this email yesterday. Not that it'll do any good.

"Chief,
I just read this quote from you:

"in my opinion firearms in the home should be kept either unloaded and disassembled or locked."

With all due respect; Can you really mean this? Are you serious?

Being a Chief of Police, what would you do to defend yourself against an armed intruder in your home? What good would a locked/disabled weapon be?

Don't you live in the murder capitol of the country?

Don't you realize you live in the United States of America?

Last time I checked this was a free country.

Thank God the SCOTUS upheld the constitution!

I would never want to live in such a repressed state."

Oh well. Some people just don't get it. ::)
 

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I'm sure her e-mail server is most likely at capacity. The adminsitrators probably had to divert all her mail so as not to crash the system!
 

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Check this out if you think the SC ruling isn't being fought boldly and by other means already. They've had this shit ready and in their hip pocket for a LONG TIME...

OH - I may be wrong about this, but I can only seem to locate ONE FFL holder in the District of Columbia. That should make things interesting too... how else can you buy a handgun legally?

MPDC OUTLINE of the General Requirements to Register a Gun:

FIREARMS REGISTRATION PROCEDURES
1. Take the “Firearms Application” to a licensed gun dealer.
A. You purchase the gun.
B. The gun dealer completes that portion of the “Firearms Application” pertaining to the firearm.
C. You complete that portion of the “Firearms Application” pertaining to you.
2. Bring the completed “Firearms Application” to Room 3077, Firearms Registration Section, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday between the hours of 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m., or Wednesday, between the hours of 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., along with:
A. Proof of residency in the District of Columbia, e.g., Driver’s License or Lease Agreement, etc.) and
B. Two (2) front-face photographs, passport size.
3. You will be given a multiple choice test of 20 questions. :duh: The study booklet is available in the Firearms Registration Section.
4. You will be fingerprinted at 300 Indiana Avenue, N.W., Third Floor. The cost is $35.00, cash or money order.
5. You will be charged a $13.00 Firearms Registration Fee (cash or money order) [glow=red,2,300]for each weapon to be registered[/glow]. This fee is to be paid at the time the application is submitted.
6. The Firearms Registration process will take approximately eight weeks.

IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER
When transporting your firearm it must be unloaded, wrapped securely or placed in a gun case on the back seat of your car. If you are stopped by the Police, you must immediately tell the officer that you are en route to the Firearms Registration Section, to register the firearm.

[glow=red,2,300]** MY QUESTION ** THIS MEANS YOU MUST TAKE THE WEAPON WITH YOU TO REGISTER IT, BUT THE STATEMENT BELOW SAYS THE DEALER WON'T GIVE IT TO YOU UNTIL YOUR APPLICATION IS APPROVED. WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?!?[/glow]

The gun dealer will not give you the firearm until you return with the “Firearms Application” stamped “Approved” by the Metropolitan Police Department, Firearms Registration Section. If you have possession of the firearm (s), you must IMMEDIATELY bring it to the Firearms Registration Section, Room 3077, 300 Indiana Avenue, N.W.
NOTE: RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS AND REVOLVERS ARE REGISTERED IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. SEMI-AUTOMATIC HANDGUNS ARE NOT REGISTERED IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.

GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS
The “Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975” requires that firearms be registered with the Metropolitan Police Department. In addition, it specifies certain procedures and prerequisites for the registration of firearms. In order that you, as a citizen of the District of Columbia, may have a clearer understanding of this recent legislation, this pamphlet has been published to acquaint you with the broad aspects of this law. Specific questions should be directed to the Firearms Registration Section, on 727-4275, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday, between the hours of 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m., and Wednesday, 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

I. Prohibited Firearms.
Firearms ineligible for registration include:
1. Sawed-off shotguns (barrel less than 20 inches). (D.C. Code 7-2501.01 (15) (2007 Ed.)
2. Short-barreled rifles (barrel less than 16 inches and has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
3. Machine guns. (Defined as any firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily converted or restored to shoot: automatically, more than 1 shot by a single function of the trigger; or semi-automatically, more than 12 shots without manual reloading.)
4. [glow=red,2,300]Semi-Automatic Handguns[/glow].

II. Prerequisites.
To obtain a registration certificate, an applicant must:
1. Be 21 years of age or older. (Applicants between the age of 18 and 21 may qualify if they have a notarized statement from their parent or guardian stating that the parent or guardian assumes civil liability for all damages resulting from the applicant’s use of the firearm. This special legislation, however, will expire on the applicant’s twenty-first birthday.)
2. Not stand convicted of a crime of violence, weapons offense or of a violation of this Act.
3. Not be under indictment for a crime of violence (excluding larceny) or a weapons offense.
4. Not stand convicted within the past five years for a narcotics or dangerous drug offense, threats to do bodily harm or for assault.
5. Not have been acquitted of any criminal charge by reason of insanity or adjudicated a chronic alcoholic by any court within the past five years.
6. Not have been voluntarily or involuntarily committed to any mental hospital or institution within the past five years. (Not applicable if a
medical certification of recovery indicating the applicant is capable of safe and responsible possession of a firearm is submitted with the
application.)
7. Not appear to suffer from a physical defect which would make it unsafe for him to possess and use a firearm safely and responsibly.
8. Not found negligent in any firearm mishap causing death or injury to another human being.
9. Not ineligible to possess a pistol under 22 D.C. Code 4503 (2007 Ed.)
10. Pass a written test.
11. Pass a vision test or possess a valid D.C. Permit

III. Application Procedures.
All applicants must appear in person at the Firearms Registration Section, Room 3077, 300 Indiana Avenue, N.W., with a completed application form. This form must be completed and approved by the Police Department prior to any transfer of firearms in the District. A $13.00 non-refundable fee will be required with the filing of the application. In addition to the completed form, the applicant must also submit two full-face passport photographs, which have been taken within a thirty-day period preceding the filing of the application. An FBI criminal history check (requiring fingerprints at the cost of $35.00) is also required.
Each applicant must also satisfactorily meet the vision requirements that are either better than or equal to that required to obtain a valid D.C. driver’s license. Presentation of a valid D.C. operator’s permit will satisfy this requirement.

IV. Filing Times.
An application for a registration certificate must be filed and a certificate issued before taking possession of any firearm from a licensed dealer. In all other cases an application for registration shall be filed immediately after a firearm is brought into the District. It shall be deemed compliance with the preceding sentence if such person personally communicates with the Metropolitan Police Department, Gun Registration Section on 202-727-4275, and provides such information as may be demanded; provided, that such person files an application for a registration certificate within 48 hours after such communication.

V. Duties and Responsibilities of Registrant.
1. Every registrant must notify the Chief of Police in writing immediately, of the following:
A. Discovery of loss, theft, or destruction of a registration certificate describing the circumstances.
B. Any change of name or address recorded on the certificate.
C. Sale, transfer or other disposition of any firearm.
2. The registration certificate must be returned to the Police Department immediately when the registered firearm has been:
A. Lost
B. Stolen
C. Destroyed
D. Sold, transferred, or otherwise disposed of.
3. The registrant must have the registration certificate in his or her possession whenever he has possession of the firearm, and exhibit it upon demand to a member of the Metropolitan Police Department or other law enforcement officer.
4. Firearms or ammunition may not be loaned, borrowed, given or rented to or from another person.
5. Firearms may not be pawned.
6. When a firearm is being lawfully transported from one location to another, it must be unloaded, securely wrapped, and carried in open view. [glow=red,2,300]HOW CAN YOU SECURELY WRAP SOMETHING YET CARRY IT IN PLAIN VIEW?!?[/glow]
7. No person shall carry or possess a firearm on public space inthe District of Columbia unless traveling directly to or from a lawful firearm related activity. [glow=red,2,300]WHAT IS A "LAWFUL" FIREARM ACTIVITY?!?[/glow]
8. No firearm shall be discharged in the District of Columbia without first obtaining a special written permit from the Chief of Police authorizing the discharge. - WTF??
9. Use of a firearm against another person is a criminal offense unless your life or the life of another person is in immediate danger. [glow=red,2,300]NOW THIS SHOULD PROVE TO BE INTERESTING THE FIRST TIME A FIREARM IS USED IN THE HOME FOR SELF DEFENSE[/glow]

VI. Revocation of Registration Certificate.
1. Revocation shall occur under the following conditions:
2. The pre-requisites set forth in Part II are not met.
3. Information furnished in the application for registration proves to be intentionally false.
4. Registrant is found in violation of the duties and responsibilities set forth in Item V.

VII. Procedures for Denial or Revocation.
If an application for registration is denied or a registration certificate is revoked, the applicant or registrant will be notified by mail. The applicant or registrant will have 15 days from the receipt of such notification to appeal to the Police Department with further evidence for consideration. If the applicant does not appear within the required 15 days the denial or revocation will become final.

Upon receipt of an appeal, the applicant or registrant will be notified within 10 days of the final decision of the Police Department.
In case of a final negative decision by the Metropolitan Police Department, further appeal may be made to the District of Columbia, Court of Appeals, within 15 days of the Police Department’s final decision.

After having been notified of a final unfavorable decision, the applicant or registrant must either turn in his firearm to the
Police Department as detailed in Item XI; remove the firearm from the District; or otherwise lawfully dispose of the firearm.

VIII. Ammunition.
No person shall possess ammunition within the District unless:
A. He is a licensed dealer.
B. He is a holder of a valid registration certificate for a firearm of the same gauge or caliber as the ammunition he possesses.
C. He holds an ammunition collector’s certificate as of September 24,1976.
[glow=red,2,300]I WONDER WHEN THE "LEGAL QUANTITY RESTRICTION" OF AMMO YOU MAY POSSESS IS MADE PUBLIC?[/glow]

VIX. Responsibility of Estate Executors or Administrators.
The executor of or administrator of an estate containing a firearm shall notify the Firearms Registration Section on 727-4275 within 30 days of his appointment. Until the lawful disposition of such firearm, the executor or administrator shall be charged with the duties and responsibilities as described in Item V. The executor or administrator, however, will not be liable for any criminal penalties of this Act

X. Permissible Sales of Firearms.
Private individuals may sell or transfer legal firearms and ammunition only to a licensed dealer within the District of Columbia. Individuals may purchase long guns only from a licensed dealer, and such transaction must be made in person. Delivery of the firearm, however, will be withheld for D.C. residents until the issuance of a registration certificate by the Metropolitan Police Department. Non-residents may purchase firearms within the District only with proof that the possession of such firearm is legal in the jurisdiction where he resides and not in conflict with federal law. The sale of handguns is prohibited within the District of Columbia.


[glow=red,2,300]HOW MANY CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS ARE MADE IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE?[/glow]

Ammunition may be sold or transferred when it is of the same gauge or caliber described in the registration certificate or other proof in the case of a non-resident. Any licensed dealer may sell ammunition to any person holding an ammunition collector’s certificate which is effective prior to September 25, 1976. This certificate must be presented at the time of sale.

XI. Voluntary Surrender and Immunity.
Individuals may voluntarily surrender any firearm, ammunition, or destructive device to the Police Department and shall be immune to prosecution of any violation of this Act. Delivery may be made to a police station or by requesting a police officer to your home or place of business to collect it. All firearms should be unloaded and wrapped in a package; and in the case of delivery to a police facility, the package should be carried in open view. No identification will be required of the person delivering and abandoning the firearm to the Police Department. No money will be paid for firearms which are surrendered to the Police Department.

XII. Penalties.
Any person who violates any provision of this Act shall upon conviction be fined not more than $1,000.00 or be imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

XIII. Antique Firearm.
Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and any replica of such firearm.
 

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that lanier is all ate up with stupid...

just as the ruling said banning an entire class of weapons like handguns is illegal, isn't banning semiauto handguns the same thing? I think they'll get sued again over their bs.
 

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I agree magik, but I doubt she is little more than a high paid puppet for the anti-gunners behind the scenes. Her stoic picture (where she is scowling behind the idiot mayor as he comments on the decision) only srengthens my belief that she is playing the part she is paid to do.

No different than the rest of the hypocritical anti-gunners... :mad:

No different than the anti-abortionists that kill doctors and bomb clinics... :mad:

I shake myhead in disbelief every day at the stupidity of society... :duh:
 

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Yea man ,i am soooo sure the residents of DC were sighing in relief in reading that ,yes sir ree.
And i seen this Gal ! Man she is some rompin stompin male satisfaction ,on the Hoof!!
She is all manly and stuff , hell they outta be bannen what that gal has in a drawer beside her bed.
Let her get loose with that monster ,and nar a man around would be left standing.
And the way she walks ,she is packin something her self , I bet that Mayor knows what that is.
 

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A Nazi by any other name . uniforms change in time but attitude never does.
Like i posted on how about that SC thread ,they are playing with words ,and this was to be expected.
Thats the problem with legal speak , and Jefferson knew this.
Have you ever tried to read something a lawyer presents to a court ?
It sounds like some Mid Evil gibberish on a proclamation from the King.
Jefferson wanted it written so any common man could understand it ,they did that to a point ,but still had to do some wording like lawyers in order to sound credible.
Rome had the same problem with the reading of the Pax Romana , Senators were saying how can you expect for a layman to know his rights ,or what the law is if he cant understand what he is reading.
So they wrote it dirt simple .
In all these years ,we find out all the time that Jefferson was right , the 2nd being the guardian of the Constitution should have said straight out.
The people ,being a privet citizen has the right to carry and possess any fire arms of their choosing . For protection in and outside their home. For hunting ,Military call of duty if one isn't provided , and to keep any supply of Ammunition for these arms they feel they need . This right isn't negotiable ,resendable ,debatable , or reversible by any Man or Government ,State ,City ,or commonwealth.
Any present or future attempt to do so is considered an attempt to remove this and other rights from the people ,and is punishable under the articles of Treason.
Sure i am using language used today ,but it still is what i think what The For Fathers had in mind.
How could they have meant anything else ? With what they had gone through ,and how close they all came to being shot or hung.
 

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Alternatively, just don't live in DC. That way you don't have to live under those laws or pay them property taxes etc...
 

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The letter reads as if written by a Nazi Governor General to the people of a conquered country...
Fascist technocrat to the letter. I heard this person interviewed on NPR shortly after the SC ruling. The contempt she has for those whom she serves and the law itself is an example of classic neofascism. Even the Nazi jerkwads of old had laws they adhered to, twisted as those laws were. This broad is making her own infringements up as she goes. A message to her lordship, "This is the USA lady. Now please get the f#@k out! Try Bosnia or some other f'in place." Disgusting!
 

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Just don;t live there. Property taxes drop and the fuckker s go bankrupt...again. Either that or they piss someone off and go back to court so a new ruling is made with a little more clarity.
 
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