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So this morning Fox News (AND ONLY FOX NEWS) reported that the White House will be managing and monitoring the national census. When this is completed the political districts will be redrawn across the nation. Those districts will be drawn to better encompass political groups specifically. As it is a democratic led nation at this time, it's looking like there would be a better possibility for the democrat party to take over the nation as one single political party.

With that in mind, Hitler came to power quickly as everybody knows. My history lesson yesterday was that when it was still the 1930's nobody trusted him so they placed him in the public affairs/media relations office. In that office he was free to conduct subversion freely and spread his agenda throughout the nation. Sound anything like liberal media?

His rise to power was greatly due to the promise and 'hope' to those people which he made believe were oppressed. We could compare them to the Mexicans, Muslims, poor or uneducated black and other minorities which may or may not be neglected by our society. Has anybody noticed all the negative comments that come from Obama and how he has all the solutions? Pay attention to the perceived growing dependence...THAT may be why it is so important that the stimulus is passed TODAY. :2cents:

So with a spending plan to give all these promises to the people he can form his loyalists. It's like a bunch of homeless dogs. Give them food, clean water and shelter and they'll be loyal to you forever.

The media aspect is there. The political climate will be shaped with the new census. The loyalists (my 'brother' calls them sheeple. I like that) are forming and will believe nothing is wrong. So what is the agenda? What is the end all goal if there is a single political party? And what happens if this political party begins to adopt Muslim policy (sounds crazy but a lot of these goals are actually part of the long term Al Qaeda objectives if you know your stuff. Not saying there's association, just saying they could assume power if we did all the work for them).

I've never really been a 'sky is falling' kind of guy but I think something just hit my head. I knew we were going to Iraq when we shipped out in September of 2002 though because the painting was on the wall. I'm seeing the painting now and I'm losing sleep over it. Somebody, please make a good argument as to how this is so completely different because I hate to think of what may become of what was once a fine nation.

BTW: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...unds-alarm-obama-decision-census-white-house/
 

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Damn it... will you get the hell out of my head man.

I have been thinking the same thing. the mare and more I look, I am begining to think the KGB guy may have somehting here. I don't necessarily agree that it will break up the same whay he said but he is onto something.

I can totaly see the south rising up and secede. I can see the US being devided by red and blue. Now we just need to come up with name for the new southern states of the new confederate. I just hope Virginia stays red and joins the south like it did back in the day.
 

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Oh by the way, is Utah a hugely republican state for the most part? I would assume so given the large percentage of Mormans. But aside from that are most people there Red?
 

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Utah used to be the reddest state in the union but I heard after this last election they are now only number 4.

There are a lot of hippy/yuppies in the ski towns, and a lot of homos in Salt Lake City.

Just my opinion, I lived there 8 or 9 years ago.
 

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I can't answer about Utah but if there was a civil war, who would actually be fighting? In my mind it would be more of a slaughter as it would be the hippies vs. the republicans. I don't know any hippies with guns and where I'm stationed it's considered rude to show up to a gun fight with a kitchen knife. And who would fire the first shot? Going for the throat would be pointed but would potentially send the nation into a power vacuum as the entire system is broken.

I can see at first where a few little outbreaks would pop up, but the law would try to oppress it and blame it on hate crimes. At what point does the general population see it for what it is and pick up arms? I hate to say that by me asking these questions it's not far from that time, but who will be the next leader to ensure that the foreign nation's don't try to step in? I'd volunteer but I'll be the first to tell you there are many things I'm yet to learn despite my worldly travels to third world dictatorships.
 

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i wouldn't worry too much about a foriegn country stepping in and trying to take over as, i would still see all Amerciancs pulling together to slap the invaders silly and then picking up where we left off again.

TH I think you would make a damn fine leader ::)
 

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Oh by the way, is Utah a hugely republican state for the most part?
Depends on where you look.
Everywhere except the county containing "the city" votes typically republicrat socialist. The county containing "the city" votes typically demopublican socialist.

The senators from this state typically vote socialist-socialist (but talk republicrat socialist), with rare exceptions. Both are tools of "compromise", and, well, just plain tools.
 

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LOL @ Bravo.

TH, to answer your question about who would be fighting in the civil war, it would be the Conservatives/Constitutionalists vs. Universal Civil Defense Service. There is an earlier thread from Croaker that has 3 links, I've linked one, talking about this organization.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/11/obamas_universa.php

As the previous thread mentioned , going to the Public Allies own website is pretty scary.

http://www.publicallies.org/site/c.liKUL3PNLvF/b.2775807/k.C8B5/ABOUT_US.htm

I'm losing sleep over all of this too. I think there is definite buzz in communities across the country in regard to this election and the direction of our country. I'm just wondering where our rendezvous point is!
 

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It's starting to sound more and more like it's the midwest would be the safe haven, but if that were the case, the good guys would be surrounded by the idiots and would have to fight in all directions. Lots of resources on clean land but far from major shipping routes and supply lines.

And I do agree with the conservatives vs. universal civil defense service, but my big question is if it came down to fighting for what you believe in, I don't think they'd fight. ??? Maybe that's naive but these are the very people that are saying guns kill people. Guns don't kill people. Warriors and defenders kill people (and sadly, criminals from time to time). So when it came down to it, I think there may be initial resistance and martial law may be attempted...but when it comes down to it, all the commanders I know are stocking up. I'll check out those links and get back to you...I've got a few friends who need to be introduced to this forum and now seems like a great time to do it.
 

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Any commanders in Wyoming? Even though we are a red state with a Demopublican Governor, I definetly feel like the minority. People want their freedoms out here but I don't know how much they care about what might happen to the country as a whole. Maybe I just haven't found the right circles yet.
 

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Universal Civil Defense? The way he described it, it sounds like he wants a group as he said as powerful as the military, but civilians. So who does this group answer to? What are their guidelines for conduct? How long does it take to go from cycling people through on a 3 month basis, to establishing a permanent 'core'?

Obama specifically referred to using this group against 'security' risks. What the hell does that mean, they're going to be armed?

I actually think that a period of required military service could be a good thing. The key differences being that the military is an established institution, with a duty to not obey illegal orders even from the president. This sounds suspiciously like a way to bypass many of those existing checks.

Think if you wanted to take dictatorial control, but the military was nowhere near to being on your side (even Hitler didn't have to push very hard), you would need an armed group loyal to you to keep them in check.

On the face of them some of these things appear to good ideas, the problem is there are no details, and the speech that goes along with them really leaves one wondering what they're up to.



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The Vermin and Snakes of the Human Race always Push their way like this.
All though History they have ,mostly where Islam is connected in so,me way.

Eventually they are stopped by the Very People they were victimizing.
Obama Lied about his being a Muslim ,and he has far more sinister plans for us than just becomeing Socialist.
He is frightening Woman and children , And he doesn't see the Storm of Hate and Contempt he is causing to form against him

Islam has tried this before ,and it almost caused their Extinction.
For Seven Years they were Dogged by the Secular , The only ones who had the true formula for makeing Greek Fire.
Even Turkish Cannon could not withstand its use and Fames.

And their Foot Soldiers wore an Armor that was made of a metal we still do not know what its property's were .
But it was thick yet light , and could withstand a Cross Bow Bolt and later even a Bullet.
Horse back Knights were not effective against an Army wearing this Armor ,and the Soldiers were experts with the Battle Axe.
They would swarm like Ants ,destroying everything in their path.

Islam was Portrayed as the Serpent who caused Adam and Eve to stray from grace.
As in this painting , A Secular Soldier holds the lifeless body of Islam.




Interesting story where this was found.
 

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His [Hitler] rise to power was greatly due to the promise and 'hope' to those people which he made believe were oppressed. We could compare them to the Mexicans, Muslims, poor or uneducated black and other minorities which may or may not be neglected by our society.
The key difference is that the people to whom Hitler making promises and "hope" were the MAJORITY (Aryan Germans). Hitler convinced the majority that they were being victimized by the minority (Jews, predominantly). That is a HUGE difference (and not to be ignored in my opinion).
 

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****, there is a HUGE difference, I will agree to that. However, if you listen to the rhetoric and the downward speaking about how 'horrible' things are FOR EVERYONE and how we could go from 'crisis' to 'catastrophe', one could easily perceive that he is attempting to make many believe the are in the majority (though they are likely not). My very own sister-in-law is a great example. She's a great lady with a solid job in special education and a husband who has worked extremely hard for a major well known shipping company. They've done well for themselves, the cars are paid off, student loans are almost paid off, he's former service and collecting limited disability and they're making payments on their home (which they bought within reason to their respective salaries). When asked about the difference in how things are vs. how they were, things were 'horrible' under the last administration but 'much better and with lots of change' now. Why? Don't know...she can't explain why, nor can she explain what was so bad. If sheeple continue to follow, soon many will feel as if they are the majority at which point personal opinion and independence is at great jeopardy. If the majority is dems and the minority is reps...where does that leave the reps? Charisma should never be underestimated...
 

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Excelent Point Hunter... I will use my situation. My salary has not really changed since this "crisis" started. My bills have not increased, food is a bit more expensive but not by much. Milk has dropped in price. Gas has dropped in price. I only know of one person who lost their job out of many, many friends. However, he quickly found new employment actually making a bit more than he was.

Now I, I ask people i know if the economy has negatively affected them except for the markets. Most say yes. I ask them how exactly has it impacted them. The only answer they give me is that they don't spend as much money like they used to. I then ask them, why they don't spend the money. They tell me it is because the economy is bad. I ask them if their income has been reduced and of course, they say no. So if their income has not been reduced, prices of food and gas have dropped, why are they not spending their money, I ask? They so they don't know. They never really thought about it.

I know why this is the case with most people. One person did explain why they reduced their spending. It was so that they could get out of debt as much as possible. I ask him if it was because of the economy. He told me it kind of was, in that the "situation" has made him rethink his financial situation. he also stated that he had been thinking that his debt was too high and that he needed to do something about it even before the "crisis".

My point is this - the media tells us the markets are falling and banks are on the virg of collapse. People freak out and hord their cash. All the sectors in the market start to be effected as more and more people sell their stocks and have the accounts sitting in cash. The media reports this and more and more people get scared. "oh my god, the economy is going to tank" and they stop spending their money. retail sector companies start to law off people because nobody is buying cars, houses, other goods and services. This causes layoffs. The media reports this and people start to think of a "Great depression" is about to occur. There becomes this vicious cycle. All this is due to a low confidence by the consumer as 80% of the GDP is consumer driven.

In order for the economy to turn around, the consumer must have the confidence in the economy and be willing to spend their money. I have not stopped spending. In fact, I am loving this as prices for everything are falling because everone is fighting even harder now for business and doing whatever they can to get my business. In fact I am getting a fence installed, for half the price I was quoted last time I considered a fence and this time it is with clear cedar instead of PT pine. I am also getting a shed built. I am also buying my kids a slide and swing set that is 12'x15'. i am even looking to buy a new vehicle as I can hagle the price even lower than before becuase I would be one of two people on the lot looking to actually buy.

I am doing all this stuff because prices are going down because of the economy. If people would just start spending money and take advatage of the "crisis", it would actually end very rapidly.

Now granted that there are some people the economy has severely effected and I feel bad for them that they got caught up in this mess. I pray tha they make it through this just fine somehow. I'm sure they will. I also am willing to help out those I know or who are friends of my friends however I can, unless they are in the situation becaus ethey over extended themselves like so many other people did.

Side note: There is a bank that I contract to that recently aquired a huge company and recenlty announced the layoff of 3000 employees. What the media failed to report is that this is normal. When two large companies merge or one acquires the other, there are duplicate positions. Layoffs always happen like this. The bank last year reported quarterly profits all year in FY08. So if they are earning a profit every quarter and are in a position to buy up large companies that are failing, why is the media only reporting half the truth? Becuase it make a story.
 
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