[Candiacan]

This year's TACCOM show saw so many new gun entrants that are now stepping on Robinson XCR-L's turf: piston driven, bufferless, folding stock, non-reciprocating side-charger.

These guns also improve upon XCR in a couple of ways: they come standard with 1913 picatinny stock adapters, fully AR compatible triggers, and can use a lot of other AR-15 parts.

Of course, the wild card will be the quality and reliability.

Here is a partial list of new competition for the XCR:

1) Black Creek Labs SRV2 Badger: $1600

2) Crusader Templar: $1700:

3) Kodiak Defense WK-180C Gen 2: $1400

4) Sterling Arms R18 Mk2:

 

[navalbeaver]

I keep going Alex will do 1913 and AR fcg lower. I'd be in for at least one.

XCR still has them all beat with the multi cal. capability

 

[Sean K.]

Agree with Nate....multi-cal, upper lengths, bbl lengths, etc....all in RA's favor currently. Only the first one appears to fold (though the rest could have the kludgy AR folding adapters added...but they look like a total afterthought).

I appreciate the post though. Interesting to see.

That said, though....with Canada's ban on pretty much all semi-autos....how is this even possible?

 

[Candiacan]

Agreed @Sean that XCR is still years ahead of all these newcomers with decades of testing, AR10, caliber conversions, and a lot more.

Like @navalbeaver said, 1913 adapters should be a top priority for @kolob and XCR, especially now that Sig has made them mainstream.

I just find the ingenuity and spirit of the Canadian firearms companies to be admirable, so shared the news here with the forum. If you have some time, this channel has some good interviews and demos from TACCOM:

 

[themousethatroared]

Those are neat.
I don't think I had heard of them before, so I will have to investigate those.

...but, didn't Canada just finish banning everything remotely AR-ish?

Or is their law based on name, instead of description?
(Their law specifically names "Robinson XCR".)

 

[Flskunkape]

[QUOTE="themousethatroared, post: 315868, member: 41563"

...but, didn't Canada just finish banning everything remotely AR-ish?

Or is their law based on name, instead of description?
(Their law specifically names "Robinson XCR".)
[/QUOTE]

^this.

 

[Decoy26517]

The Crusader one is the only one that actually interests me. But all of them just look like AR18 clones.

 

[Flskunkape]

Yeah, the sterling was the one that stuck out to me.

 

[Flskunkape]

damn, you're right the crusader is more refined looking and less like something we cobbled together in our garages.

 

[Sean K.]

I find it odd that Canadians, whenever pointedly asked about what's going on with their semi-auto gun ban....just fail to give answer.

Are they under the impression that if they don't talk about it, they aren't banned? Are they worried their oppressive (as ours is) government is monitoring them?

I guess we're only as free as we act.

 

[themousethatroared]

I find it odd that Canadians, whenever pointedly asked about what's going on with their semi-auto gun ban....just fail to give answer.

Are they under the impression that if they don't talk about it, they aren't banned? Are they worried their oppressive (as ours is) government is monitoring them?

I guess we're only as free as we act.

The only thing I have seen or heard was a couple days ago Alberta province announced that they were not going to participate in the confiscation program.

The name-game system was never made clear. I am surprised that the manufacturers are not simply renaming their products and continuing to sell them. Maybe Robinson does not have time for this kind of game, but the large manufacturers stand to make a lot of money by running a batch of rifles with a different name printed on the side, truck them across the border, and take a wheelbarrow full of money to the bank. Then Canada adds the new name to the banned list, and the manufacturer repeats the cycle with a new name.

Not sure how long it takes for the Canadian government to add a new name to the list, or of they can do that in batches for all the different new names.
Also, it would be logical that all these things go on the instant confiscation list as soon as the name is added to the banned list. So, they are allowed to move it across the border and sell it until the paperwork is updated. The Canadian citizen gets to legally own and operate it until the paperwork is updated. Then it has to be hidden from the mounties and another one purchased to be possessed and operated in public. That's the kind of system that should sell a lot of rifles.

 

[Sean K.]

The only thing I have seen or heard was a couple days ago Alberta province announced that they were not going to participate in the confiscation program.

The name-game system was never made clear. I am surprised that the manufacturers are not simply renaming their products and continuing to sell them. Maybe Robinson does not have time for this kind of game, but the large manufacturers stand to make a lot of money by running a batch of rifles with a different name printed on the side, truck them across the border, and take a wheelbarrow full of money to the bank. Then Canada adds the new name to the banned list, and the manufacturer repeats the cycle with a new name.

Not sure how long it takes for the Canadian government to add a new name to the list, or of they can do that in batches for all the different new names.
Also, it would be logical that all these things go on the instant confiscation list as soon as the name is added to the banned list. So, they are allowed to move it across the border and sell it until the paperwork is updated. The Canadian citizen gets to legally own and operate it until the paperwork is updated. Then it has to be hidden from the mounties and another one purchased to be possessed and operated in public. That's the kind of system that should sell a lot of rifles.

Yeah, I'm surprised their gun ban wasn't by name and features.

However, from what went into effect in March of 2021 (IIRC)....you cannot use or possess said banned gun (but again, the naming part may be the loophole) after that date. Obviously, confiscation hasn't happened...nor have the 'buy backs' the government discussed. Odd way of governing to us in the USA.

 

[Candiacan]

Yeah, I'm surprised their gun ban wasn't by name and features.

Because perhaps this is all political theater.

 

[Sean K.]

Because perhaps this is all political theater.

How do you tell it's theater vs. actual law?

 

[CB3]

The more AR-looking/feeling/functioning a rifle is, the less I am interested in it. I don’t know what the internals of these new Canadian offerings are, but I suspect they are AR‘s housed in Robinson-like receivers.

 

[Sean K.]

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[themousethatroared]

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The photos and description state "T6061 aluminum". I assume that is supposed to be 6061-T6.

I can not find what Robinson is using.
Talking with machinists, they always want to go with 7075 aluminum on something like a firearm.

I did find statements that the Robinson upper is forged and non-stressed.
And the videos of the rifles mentioned above have discussions of the receivers being milled from solid billet, which accounts for much of the cost of those rifles.

It looks like there is some difference between the material used, but its not clear what that difference is.

 

[Sean K.]

The photos and description state "T6061 aluminum". I assume that is supposed to be 6061-T6.

I can not find what Robinson is using.
Talking with machinists, they always want to go with 7075 aluminum on something like a firearm.

I did find statements that the Robinson upper is forged and non-stressed.
And the videos of the rifles mentioned above have discussions of the receivers being milled from solid billet, which accounts for much of the cost of those rifles.

It looks like there is some difference between the material used, but its not clear what that difference is.

7075 is what RA uses. I thought the upper was an extrusion though....not forged. I definitely am not certain.

 

[TTEngineer]

7075 is what RA uses. I thought the upper was an extrusion though....not forged. I definitely am not certain.

I thought the upper was CNC’d?


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[Sean K.]

I thought the upper was CNC’d?


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My understanding is that it's final machined that way. As I said, I could be wrong.....