[Sean K.]

Agree with Nate....multi-cal, upper lengths, bbl lengths, etc....all in RA's favor currently. Only the first one appears to fold (though the rest could have the kludgy AR folding adapters added...but they look like a total afterthought).

I appreciate the post though. Interesting to see.

That said, though....with Canada's ban on pretty much all semi-autos....how is this even possible?

 

[Sean K.]

I find it odd that Canadians, whenever pointedly asked about what's going on with their semi-auto gun ban....just fail to give answer.

Are they under the impression that if they don't talk about it, they aren't banned? Are they worried their oppressive (as ours is) government is monitoring them?

I guess we're only as free as we act.

 

[Sean K.]

The only thing I have seen or heard was a couple days ago Alberta province announced that they were not going to participate in the confiscation program.

The name-game system was never made clear. I am surprised that the manufacturers are not simply renaming their products and continuing to sell them. Maybe Robinson does not have time for this kind of game, but the large manufacturers stand to make a lot of money by running a batch of rifles with a different name printed on the side, truck them across the border, and take a wheelbarrow full of money to the bank. Then Canada adds the new name to the banned list, and the manufacturer repeats the cycle with a new name.

Not sure how long it takes for the Canadian government to add a new name to the list, or of they can do that in batches for all the different new names.
Also, it would be logical that all these things go on the instant confiscation list as soon as the name is added to the banned list. So, they are allowed to move it across the border and sell it until the paperwork is updated. The Canadian citizen gets to legally own and operate it until the paperwork is updated. Then it has to be hidden from the mounties and another one purchased to be possessed and operated in public. That's the kind of system that should sell a lot of rifles.

Yeah, I'm surprised their gun ban wasn't by name and features.

However, from what went into effect in March of 2021 (IIRC)....you cannot use or possess said banned gun (but again, the naming part may be the loophole) after that date. Obviously, confiscation hasn't happened...nor have the 'buy backs' the government discussed. Odd way of governing to us in the USA.

 

[Sean K.]

Because perhaps this is all political theater.

How do you tell it's theater vs. actual law?

 

[Sean K.]

Shop best deals on Firearms & Guns for Sale | GunZoneDeals

gunzonedeals.com

 

[Sean K.]

The photos and description state "T6061 aluminum". I assume that is supposed to be 6061-T6.

I can not find what Robinson is using.
Talking with machinists, they always want to go with 7075 aluminum on something like a firearm.

I did find statements that the Robinson upper is forged and non-stressed.
And the videos of the rifles mentioned above have discussions of the receivers being milled from solid billet, which accounts for much of the cost of those rifles.

It looks like there is some difference between the material used, but its not clear what that difference is.

7075 is what RA uses. I thought the upper was an extrusion though....not forged. I definitely am not certain.

 

[Sean K.]

I thought the upper was CNC’d?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My understanding is that it's final machined that way. As I said, I could be wrong.....

 

[Sean K.]

Both forged and cast can be, and most often are, machined (cnc or otherwise) as part of finishing off the product. Both leave pretty nasty looking surfaces. It is normal to cut at least the mating surfaces back into the better material in the interior, so that these surfaces are smooth, clean, and true.

Cast or forged does not result in a finished part that is ready for assembly.
Most of the benefit of casting is in reducing wasted material and the labor involved in cutting that material away. Casting provides a piece that is much closer to being finished, but it still has to be finished so that it can be used.
Forging provides a similar jump to a piece that is already roughed out and closer to finished, but the process yields a piece that is structurally stronger.

Yes, obviously both are often machined for the reasons you mentioned. Never implied they weren't. An extrusion is similar and can have a better final finish (depending largely on material and the newness of the dies)....but still may need final machining depending on what's being made.

 

[Sean K.]

The "Clever Legal Workaround" mentioned in the video description, explains a lot about their law.

"We moved the front and rear pins about a millimeter and made it non-interchangeable with any AR upper or lower, and that makes it legal."

The XCR is not interchangeable, but existed at the time the law was written, and they named everything that was not AR that existed at the time the law was written.

So, their game is to change the dimensions slightly, then wait for the next round of laws and new names to be added to the list.

The group of new Canadian products looks to be squarely in the middle, between the ARs and the SCAR/ACR/XCR/etc. group. If it weren't for the legality situation, they might not be viable at the price point they are at. I'm not saying they are overpriced. The labor cost may justify every penny. But if those others were available, the "For a couple hundred dollars more, I could get a fill_in_the_blank" argument would really cut the market down.

Thanks for the explanation.....

If that's the case, I really question the intelligence of the legislators of Canada. It'd be far simpler to ban features and semi-autos as categories rather than listing by name.

 

[Sean K.]

It sounds like their law has the dimensional drawings for the standard AR-15 upper and lower, banning everything that fits those dimensions, and then the names of everything else.
They talk in the video about it being an evolution of the AR-180, they are not sure if parts are interchangeable, but that the law does not address the AR-180 (at least by dimensions).

This is that thing with people who don't know anything about a subject, writing laws and rules about that subject. They think the rest of the world is going to follow the spirit of their oppression, not look for the freedom in what they omit. And anyone involved in competition that involves equipment or machinery along with a human operator (like auto racing), looks at a rule set differently. It's what the rules say specifically, and anything the rules do not say specifically, is allowed.

Edit/Additional:
Here's a story from 2019 discussing this, so it's been in the works for a while:

The AR-180 is poised to make a comeback

Chambered for .223 Remington with an 18.7 inch barrel, the WK180-C handles like a dream on the range with minimal effort.

www.militarytimes.com

Agreed. "Legal" defiance has always been about exploiting loop holes within existing law.

 

[Sean K.]

I had forgotten about the "heckel", original prototype great, what they released dog shit. I didn't know they were doing an ak lower.. that may re-peak my interest.
Also PSAs bringing out the H&M stg44, is gonna be 762x39 stanag mag.. also in 8mm Kurt's, 556, and blackout. I'm still in debates on what caliber/s I'm wanting it in.

Been waiting on that x39 mag from H&M for years....I have my doubts about their ability to deliver.

 

[Sean K.]

Hmmm....says they are 6061 uppers/lowers; not 7075.

Crusader Arms Templar Monolithic 556 Rifle

Lifetime, transferable warranty Aluminum Upper and Lower made from billet 6061 aluminum Barrel is made of 4150 Steel, Chrome Moly Vanadium with nitride finish Last round hold-open Quick release bolt stop. (Note how easy it is to access, just push forward). F5 MFG Side folding stock ( folds away...

shop.tacticalshit.com

Odd material choice considering what the USG learned about 6061 in Vietnam.