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Guessing Others Got the RobArms Email on Braces?

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RA is the only company I've gotten an email like this from. Seems a bit "chicken little" in terms of the conclusions/recommendations made in the email.

Frankly, I think this whole brace thing has major problems if taken to court (assuming people actually allow ATF to serve a warrant and not just have an Alamo moment at their respective doorsteps). Let's ignore the most obvious problems like ATF is writing regulations with force of law; which is not its function and that they have contradicted themselves on this very issue for the 3rd time now, that they allowed the sale of these items in the first place and that changing course now is a violation of the ex post facto clause in the USC. There are plenty of other problems.

One big problem is: braces are not now and never will be illegal in and of themselves. Constructive possession is the flimsiest of court cases, and I'd love to get in front of a jury and have the prosecution explain how, as the possessor of a penis, one isn't in 'constructive possession' of the equipment necessary for the crime of rape. Or possessing a vagina doesn't mean you're in constructive possession of the part necessary to be a prostitute..... Those who would argue one has no choice as to their genitalia are obvious bigots in a world where one can not only choose their gender but doesn't necessarily have to pick from only one of two options.:ROFLMAO: In short, just b/c you have something, doesn't mean you intend to commit a crime with it.

Another issue is.....when a pistol lower that was sold equipped with a brace is separated from an upper, it can't be in violation of NFA since no bbl is attached, especially when the lower was legally sold as a pistol with ATF's blessing. ATF has a real problem here. They haven't gone so far as to claim (yet) that a pistol sold with a brace was an illegal SBR that CANNOT go back to being a pistol. In fact, they are claiming the opposite (in spite of their, apparently outdated "once-a-pistol-becomes-a-rifle-it-can't-go-back" rule); that if you bought it that way and you take it off and get rid of said brace or 'modify it' so it can't be reattached...you're GTG. But there's problems with that too.

How is having the brace any different than owning extra stocks that could go on some of one's pistols? It's not. AND....ATF has also told us verbatim that we can simply add a 16" bbl to the lower equipped with a brace to make it legal. Well, if you own 16" XCRs (or ARs or whatever)...your XCR lower with a brace is completely legal to own, completely legal to keep assembled in that manner....and completely legal to use as a 'rifle' if you ever decided to put a 16" bbl'd upper on that lower with the brace. So, just why is anyone required to remove/modify/destroy their brace since it can still be lawfully used on a 16" upper?

And, if you own an SBR in that particular platform, you can own all manner of shorter than 16" uppers as well as own different stocks, etc. to put on it....same with braces. Good luck prosecuting any of that successfully if the person is already playing the NFA game.

No, the only way ATF wins these cases (assuming you're a responsible, law abiding gun owner who is currently waiting on the dust to settle on this issue in court and has simply removed his braced lowers from his less than 16" bbl'd uppers) is if they falsely, immorally, and criminally manufacture a case by kicking in one's door and assembling "said perp's" firearms into these newly-deemed-illegal configurations to make their case.

And don't think for a minute they won't do that sort of thing. They've been allegedly doing it repeatedly in a number of high profile cases, from Waco to Ruby Ridge to Olofson, which means, the only 'justice' you're going to get if ATF comes a knockin' is whatever you can mete out in your home b/c you cannot trust the system. It's fucking rigged and it will steamroll you and yours to make an example. This is why Rule of Law is so damned important to a healthy, properly functioning society and government....and we don't have one.
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Email??? Must have gone to the spam folder?
Email??? Must have gone to the spam folder?
Here's the text:

URGENT! ATF ARM BRACE RULING. YOU MUST TAKE ACTION BEFORE MAY 31, 2023

OUR RECORDS SHOW YOU HAVE A ROBINSON XCR WITH AN ARM BRACE AND A BARREL LESS THAN 16” IN LENGTH (AFFECTED XCRS), YOU NEED TO READ THIS NOTICE AND TAKE ACTION BEFORE MAY 31, 2023. FAILURE TO DO SO MAY RESULT IN CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND FINES.
As of January 31, 2023, ATF’s “FACTORING CRITERIA FOR FIREARMS WITH ATTACHED STABILIZING BRACES” (the “Ruling”) became effective. (Link to the Ruling)
Prior to the Ruling, ATF had issued letters to the manufacturers confirming that certain stabilizing or arm Braces (Arm Braces) were designed to be fired one handed thereby making the firearms they were attached to pistols. ATF claims they were wrong and has rescinded all those letters.
The Ruling attempts to clarify when a rifle is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder. In essence, ATF claims that just about any component such as an Arm Brace or even a receiver extension tube attached to a firearm which allows it to be fired from the shoulder makes that firearm a rifle.
The National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR) as a rifle with a barrel less than 16″ in length and makes it illegal to possess such unless it is registered to you. THE PENALTIES FOR ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF AN SBR ARE SEVERE!
If you have an Affected XCR, the Ruling lists the ways you can legally comply with the NFA. You must comply by May 31, 2023 or the ATF may take action against you. Here’s the list.
1. Remove the short barrel and Install a 16″ or longer barrel. This makes the firearm no longer an SBR. The biggest problem with this option is that we may not be able to make enough 16″ barrels before the May 31, 2023. Also, we do not currently make 16″ barrels for XCR-L Micros and Minis, and XCR-M Micros. (Note: We may be able to make 16” barrels for the XCR-L Mini in the future.) This option is not feasible unless you already have a 16″ barrel for your XCR.
2. Submit through the eForms system an Application to Make and Register a firearm, ATF Form 1 (“E-Form 1”) found at atf.online.gov. Normally, one must pay a $200 tax to register his SBR. Under the Ruling this tax is waived. Once you apply, you get a copy of the application, you can keep the XCR with the Arm Brace just as it is until you receive your approval or disapproval. (Note: There are millions of people who will be registering their SBRs so the approval may take some time. Even if it takes years, you’re protected as long as you keep a copy of your registration while you wait for the result of your application.)
3. Permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached, thereby removing the weapon from regulation as a “rifle” under the NFA. Normally, it’s not legal to make a pistol from a rifle. In this case, the ATF will allow it. If you have an Affected XCR, you should remove the Arm Brace from the folding hinge rearward. Or you can remove the whole Arm Brace with the hinge. We’ll post how to do this shortly. We make a “Pistol Cap” which replaces the complete Arm Brace Assembly. The Pistol Cap has a QD sling swivel mount hole right in the middle so with a single point sling, you can still stabilize your XCR like you would an MP5K.
The ATF wants you to dispose of the Arm Brace or alter it so it cannot be reattached to the Affected XCR. In other words, you don’t want to be in possession of the Arm Brace with the Affected XCR lest they prosecute you for constructive possession of an SBR. You could have a friend or family member not living with you hold onto the Arm Brace in the event the Ruling is overturned by the Courts. Arm Braces alone are not banned or illegal.
4. Turn in the Firearm to your local ATF Office.
5. Destroy the firearm according to ATF guidelines found at www.atf.gov.
In conclusion, here are our thoughts. We don’t like the NFA one bit. However, it is the law until changed by our elected representatives or the Ruling is struck down by the Supreme Court of the United States (the Court). The ATF has been making rules because Congress has passed laws allowing them to do so. If you don’t like it, you need to elect people who understand the Constitution and the very important role firearms play in it. We’re not going to get a Congress and President to make any changes for two more years at best. We hope and pray the Court will strike down the ATFs Ruling, but there’s no guarantee this will happen before May 31, 2023. (Support the effort of those fighting the legal battle by donating to GOA and Firearms Policy Center.)
The options above are not perfect. You have till May 31, 2023 to comply. If you want to play it safe and live in a state where SBRs are allowed, you may want to consider registering your Affected XCR on an E-Form 1. There are some advantages: You don’t have to pay the $200 tax. You can continue using it no matter how long the approval process takes if you keep a copy of your registration application. If you didn’t build it yourself, you can adopt the markings already on the firearm. (Normally you need to mark with your name, city, and state.) Once approved, you can remove the brace and add the original butt which has more length adjustment.
What’s the downside? The ATF will know who you are and have pictures of you and your fingerprints. Many of you already have suppressors or other NFA items. If that’s the case, they already know about you. If you don’t already have NFA items, the ATF could find you buy going to each manufacturer and demanding a list of firearms with Arm Braces were sold. If you can lawfully possess any firearm, your application to possess an SBR should be approved.
You could just wait and pray the Court stops this madness. The problem is you only have until May 31, 2023. If you’re going to register your Affected XCR, you should do it sooner rather than later. If you don’t want to register it, you can remove the Arm Brace. We’re pretty sure none of you are going to want to donate your Affected XCR to the ATF or destroy it.
If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact us.
Sincerely,
Robinson Armament Co.
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I think it only went out to those that have purchased an XCR from Rob Arms that has a barrel less than 16". It's good to warn your customers that might not be aware of what's coming.
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That could have been written better
Sean covered most of it in the first post. The ATF has no legal basis to redefine a pistol into an SBR depending on if a brace exists in the same zipcode
Just tell people to remove the item until this is cleared up by the courts
NFA, SBRs et al are infringements, anyway
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I think it only went out to those that have purchased an XCR from Rob Arms that has a barrel less than 16". It's good to warn your customers that might not be aware of what's coming.
I only purchased parts direct...never a complete upper or rifle, though my dealer contacts (Kermit and Nate) are close enough with RA that I'm sure RobArms knows some of the complete guns/uppers were for me (which is fine....it's not like I'm trying to keep RA from knowing I love the platform).
I didn't get the email, but I didn't purchase a braced pistol from RA. I did purchase a factory SBR. Now that RA has shown us that they can email just those who have purchased braced pistol, the only thing that they need to do is notify all of the same people if the ATF ever asks for a list of those who purchased braced pistols. Furthermore, they should fight such a request in court.

There are two issues with fighting a gun related charge in federal court. The first is that you better have plenty of money. This is how they get most of their convictions. People plead guilty just to avoid financial ruin even when they know that a jury would most likely find them innocent. The second is that there are a large number of jurors who will believe anything that's stated by a so-called law enforcement expert.
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I didn't get the email, but I didn't purchase a braced pistol from RA. I did purchase a factory SBR. Now that RA has shown us that they can email just those who have purchased braced pistol, the only thing that they need to do is notify all of the same people if the ATF ever asks for a list of those who purchased braced pistols. Furthermore, they should fight such a request in court.

There are two issues with fighting a gun related charge in federal court. The first is that you better have plenty of money. This is how they get most of their convictions. People plead guilty just to avoid financial ruin even when they know that a jury would most likely find them innocent. The second is that there are a large number of jurors who will believe anything that's stated by a so-called law enforcement expert.
Which is why I said, "the only 'justice' you're going to get if ATF comes a knockin' is whatever you can mete out in your home b/c you cannot trust the system."

Everyone gets to decide for themselves how to interpret that into an action plan.
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