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I am not sure if this has been posted before but does this really show that we have already lost them?

I have asked my son before if he sees that the students on campus are more liberal than conservative minded. He said yes.:(

And these are the ones that will lead our country in the future.

What happens if you wave an ISIS flag on Berkeley's campus?

What happens if you wave an ISIS flag on Berkeley's campus?

In a video released this week, a man went to the University of California at Berkeley’s campus, waving the black-and-white flag of the Islamic State and loudly defending the militant jihadist group's actions.

Most of the people walking past ignore him. A few gave him a thumbs-up, wished him luck and smiled.
Then the man broke out the Israeli flag, and shouted statements defending Israel.
The video shows him getting a less-than-warm reception from some on campus “Israel is a thief in the night, and a thief in the day,” a man said as he walked by. Another ran off a string of expletives. “Tyranny isn’t cute,” a third said.
The flag-waver, media personality Ami Horowitz, filmed the video for his “Ami on the Street” series aired on Fox News.
“Students at Berkeley clearly have a lot of intellect; it is one of the most prestigious and selective universities in the country,” Mr. Horowitz wrote on Fox in a piece published Wednesday. “But do they have wisdom? I went to the bucolic campus armed with a flag that represents the greatest evil known today, ISIS. If these are our best and brightest then we should all be afraid, very afraid.”
The anti-Israel sentiment Horowitz showed in his video, which has attracted more than 150,000 views and more than 400 comments, has peppered college campuses in 2014, with students at several institutions hosting “Israeli Apartheid Week” — complete with film screenings, lectures, workshops, and protests — last winter.
The Anti-Defamation League notes that more than 90 anti-Israel events are scheduled to take place on campuses this academic year, double last year’s figure. Just Tuesday evening, the undergraduate student government at the University of California at Los Angeles called for the UC system to divest from the Israeli military. The Jewish campus orgnization Hillel notes that UCLA, for instance, has 2,600 Jewish undergraduates, which is 9 percent of the student body population.
The ADL attributes anti-Israel events and anti-Semetic discourse to Operation Protective Edge, noting that at least 30 anti-Israel demonstrations had support from student groups. This fall, anti-Semitic acts have occurred even at institutions with historically high Jewish populations.
At Emory University, brothers at a historically Jewish fraternity found black swastikas spray painted outside their house — immediately after Yom Kippur, a holy day of repentance, prompting the university to step up its campus police patrols. One week later, three swastikas were chalked outside of a freshman dorm at Yale University. Both schools ranks among Hillel’s top 25 schools by percentage of Jewish students, at 30 percent and 27 percent, respectively.
Some pro-Israel groups are fighting back.

More than 60 Vassar University alumni, for example, said their institution had reached a tipping point in the spring. When nearly 40 faculty members protested the college president’s opposition to the American Studies Association’s boycott of Israel, the alumni formed “Fairness to Israel,” which consisted of pro-Israel Vassar alumni, parents, and students.
“Israel is not perfect, but to blame Israel alone, as the 39 professors do, ignores facts and does nothing to promote the ‘open, honest and principled discussion’ the professors, who are completely silent with regard to Israel’s side of the story, claim to want,” the group wrote in an open letter published in the Miscellany News, Vassar’s campus paper. “Their letter constitutes propaganda against the Jewish state. Whether intended or not, it shows a blatant bias against Israel, a glaring attempt to delegitimize the Jewish state and yes, outright anti-Semitism.”
Comments on Horowitz’s video showed a largely critical response to the students’ reactions. One said that the video showed “enormous ignorance,” while another noted that “these ‘universities’ do NOT reflect Americans everywhere.”
Read this story at csmonitor.com
 

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Nothing should happen....if someone chooses to exercise their right to free speech in a public place, no one is forcing anyone to listen to it. If one wants to debate, feel free. That's what makes the nation great. Most passer-bys don't wish for confrontation....so they just move on. Others have more important things to do than react to taunts meant to elicit a response.

The fact that people don't instantly recognize the labels "conservative" and "liberal" as a trap to keep one from assessing all positions based on their merits, logic and principle is telling us that not only are future generations lost, but the older generations have been successful at indoctrinating our youth to an A or B choice......Limiting their critical thought that could easily concoct solutions (or even honestly evaluate workable, current solutions that have yet to be tried b/c we are so set in our 2 choice paradigm) to our current problems......if given the chance at free thought.
 
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My fear isn't that our kids are becoming more 'liberal', it's that they're becoming more accustomed to having the government 'provide' things.
That's the way I'd want to go, if I were attempting to domesticate a wild animal with the goal of enslavement or consumption.
 

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Not hardley.
I don't understand "not hardly". Give me percentages of the U.S. population that are parasites on the government tit and those that are not , in your opinion. Thank you.

my understanding is that us working folk are now less than 50% of the nation, but that's just a wild ass guess.

i watch the news less and less and try and expand my victory garden more and more, so I'm out of touch.
 

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I don't understand "not hardly". Give me percentages of the U.S. population that are parasites on the government tit and those that are not , in your opinion. Thank you.

my understanding is that us working folk are now less than 50% of the nation, but that's just a wild ass guess.

i watch the news less and less and try and expand my victory garden more and more, so I'm out of touch.
My understanding is that the 50% figure is pretty close. They may not be getting "welfare"....but their taxes are often completely refunded to them due to deductions of one sort or another.

I'd agree on the work ethic. I work in the hiring field currently and employers are constantly complaining about having to let the younger generation go b/c they simply don't know what a full day of work is like, nor are they interested in doing one for any length of time.
 
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I don't understand "not hardly". Give me percentages of the U.S. population that are parasites on the government tit and those that are not , in your opinion. Thank you.

my understanding is that us working folk are now less than 50% of the nation, but that's just a wild ass guess.

i watch the news less and less and try and expand my victory garden more and more, so I'm out of touch.
Re read the sentence that I quoted, you only asked about one aspeect of your very broad opinion.

Percentage wise? I don't give a flip so I don't know.

My parents taught me not to worry about what other people are doing, but to worry about what you're doing.

I've also learned that although I may find myself bitching from time to time, it accomplishes nothing.
 

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Re read the sentence that I quoted, you only asked about one aspeect of your very broad opinion.

Percentage wise? I don't give a flip so I don't know.

My parents taught me not to worry about what other people are doing, but to worry about what you're doing.

I've also learned that although I may find myself bitching from time to time, it accomplishes nothing.
Ok, I reread and see that I agree with you're point of view: I'll refocus on what I'm doing, worry less about what other people are doing, and realize that my bitching from time to time accomplishes nothing. That's better.;)
 

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Didn't that 50% number come from a Romney speech about half the country not paying income tax which infers they don't work? According to tax rolls about 47% of people pay no federal income tax. However, that number includes, kids, the retired and elderly, poor and those using legitimate tax breaks. So I wouldn't equate no taxes to no work if that is what you are suggesting.
 

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Ok, I reread and see that I agree with you're point of view: I'll refocus on what I'm doing, worry less about what other people are doing, and realize that my bitching from time to time accomplishes nothing. That's better.;)
My point was that YOU stated that we as a country have "become a liberal, socialist, progressive nation of people with no work ethic who are waiting for the next government handout."

If that isn't using a broad
paintbrush, I don't know what is.

I don't know of one generation who thought the upcoming generation was better LOL
 

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"I don't know of one generation who thought the upcoming generation was better LOL"

Definitely the good old days were better. I can't decide if I'll try and time travel back to the 50's to pick up a new 1957 Chevy, or the 60's for that 1967 GTO.

Yes, I confess I used a very broad and coarse brush to make a political statement. I'm looking at paying more taxes this year than last and the load on my shoulders is feeling pretty heavy. Hence the bitching and moaning. Let me hitch up my pack and get back to the forced march.:rolleyes:
 

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We've not just lost the future generations, we've already lost everything. Government is now serving the needs of the huge corporations. Corporate welfare, no-bid contracts, Super PACs. No matter what your position, you're screwed. so called Liberals (who are not actually liberal) and Conservatives are both anti-freedom and corrupt. I don't see a path out of this.

I am just thankful that I make a good living and have no kids. I'm getting by fine, and don't need to worry more than 40 years into the future. Hopefully the down slide will be slow enough that I can ride it out in comfort.
 

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Definitely the good old days were better. I can't decide if I'll try and time travel back to the 50's to pick up a new 1957 Chevy, or the 60's for that 1967 GTO.

I won't disagree with you. Regret making some money selling a 72 Cuda in the 80's.

That said, I have no doubt your father probably felt the same way as you per "the good old days".

Heck, for work, I don't know what I'd do without a cell phone and mobile device. We can trouble shoot now looking at a job without even leaving the office. Thought is was pretty cool the first time I used Facetime for work (actually, the only time I use it lol).
 

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Re read the sentence that I quoted, you only asked about one aspeect of your very broad opinion.

Percentage wise? I don't give a flip so I don't know.

My parents taught me not to worry about what other people are doing, but to worry about what you're doing.

I've also learned that although I may find myself bitching from time to time, it accomplishes nothing.
Would your parents advice be applicable in East Germany after WWII, how about Germany during WWII? Communist China under Chairman Mao? The old USSR? Our own country during the GWOT or before when we held slaves and engaged in genocide against the Native Americans?

Bitching is where it starts, my friend....the problem is that it's too cathartic for some and keeps them from taking actual kinetic action to right a wrong.
 

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My point was that YOU stated that we as a country have "become a liberal, socialist, progressive nation of people with no work ethic who are waiting for the next government handout."

If that isn't using a broad
paintbrush, I don't know what is.

I don't know of one generation who thought the upcoming generation was better LOL
Agreed on your last point....however, do you dispute that this generation is more "liberal, socialist, progressive"? Or even that older generations are being more indoctrinated to the collectivist viewpoint as time moves forward? If so, please lay out your case for why that's not true. I'd be interested in your perspective.
 

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Didn't that 50% number come from a Romney speech about half the country not paying income tax which infers they don't work? According to tax rolls about 47% of people pay no federal income tax. However, that number includes, kids, the retired and elderly, poor and those using legitimate tax breaks. So I wouldn't equate no taxes to no work if that is what you are suggesting.
There's no such thing as a "legitimate" tax break. Taxation is theft. Unless it's voluntary, it's unjust. Even if one supports a "flat tax".....the flat tax should be EQUAL, if we espouse equality of man. Not an equal percentage....b/c that inevitably means some pay more and some pay less than others.
 

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Bitching is where it starts, my friend....the problem is that it's too cathartic for some and keeps them from taking actual kinetic action to right a wrong.
Bitching is where it never starts. My father told me actions always speak louder than words, and I hold onto that notion.
 

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Bitching is where it never starts. My father told me actions always speak louder than words, and I hold onto that notion.
You realize the American Revolution started in the hearts and minds of the combatants in "bitch sessions" held not only in churches (from the pulpit in many cases) to taverns to houses of government to street corners, right? And it started there literally decades before a shot was actually fired. It's a natural part of the process.

Like it or not, slaves do not just rise up and overthrow their masters....not if they hope to succeed. I've already conceded that far too many take solace in talk and depressurize from the expulsion of their angry words. However, reason should prevail. Solutions come through logical discussion. Impassioned pleas for one side or the other may hold sway over many, but the wise try to be more impartial to arrive at the best conclusion. I've said it numerous times in various threads....bitching for the sake of bitching (which is what I hope your alluding to) is unproductive. If you're going to bitch, fine.....but at least propose a workable solution.
 
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