Check this out www.defecsereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=articles&sid=1096 for the new Kel tech .308 bullpup. Looks like FAL mags to me, neat.
Kel-Tec .308 Bull Pup
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I'm watching this one, but having looked at the Kel-Tec site I am more then a little worried about the complexity of this system, and how it will hold up to heavy use or dirt. I would have rather they designed a more "traditional" bullpup that would have allowed conversion for left to right hand ejection. While I haven't kept up on the latest concerning the FN Bullpup, I do recall reading that it is prone to a particularly nasty jams do to it's unique ejection. That would concern me with this design as well. In my opinion the lack of ejection port access might make "simple" jams into "horrible-gotta-field-strip" jams.
I would really like this design to work out and be wonderful, but I have strong doubts about any weapon that attempts a "new" ejection technique.
YMMV
Fal.
P.S. I do like the use of FAL mags though. Honestly wish the XCR-M was coming with FAL mags.
I would really like this design to work out and be wonderful, but I have strong doubts about any weapon that attempts a "new" ejection technique.
YMMV
Fal.
P.S. I do like the use of FAL mags though. Honestly wish the XCR-M was coming with FAL mags.
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Nothing and of coarse...
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I've heard a lot of conserns about the forward ejection with the FN F2000, but no reports of actual problems.
Your chance of getting shit lodged in the Forward ejection tubes' probably less then getting shit stuck in the barrel...
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I have an FS2000 and rarely have jams. It's probably about as good as my AR. The difference being that you can oil the FS without dust issues as the working parts are all hidden away.
RE: the XCR-M, I agree I'd like to see either FAL or HK mags. They are cheap, incredibly reliable and basically they simply work.
RE: the XCR-M, I agree I'd like to see either FAL or HK mags. They are cheap, incredibly reliable and basically they simply work.
arty: :fencing: :tomcat:Rainely,
The only link I could find for the FN was from the highroad, and when I google triple feeds with the FN I find only a few examples. Therefore I must conclude that while this would be a more problematic jam to clear in the FS2000, it does not occur any more frequently then the AR. I might have to take another look at a FS2000.....though I am kind of holding out for one of the new AUG-clones.....or prehaps a real steyr latter this year, if the rumor-mill is acurate.
I still thing the Kel-Tec bullpup will have ejection issues.....the system appears too complex.
The only link I could find for the FN was from the highroad, and when I google triple feeds with the FN I find only a few examples. Therefore I must conclude that while this would be a more problematic jam to clear in the FS2000, it does not occur any more frequently then the AR. I might have to take another look at a FS2000.....though I am kind of holding out for one of the new AUG-clones.....or prehaps a real steyr latter this year, if the rumor-mill is acurate.
I still thing the Kel-Tec bullpup will have ejection issues.....the system appears too complex.
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I've attached pictures of the FS2000 internals her as well as a few of the action being cycled. By the way, P-Mags don't fit. I didn't try taking the dust guard out of the magazine well as that kind of defeats the purpose. I've had good reliability out of this rifle. Really it's what the SA80/L85 should have been. the majority of the reciever is polymer with steel guide rails for the bolt. Cleaning is dead easy.
FS2000 Internals
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The next series shows a round being chambered and ejected. Note the bullet is still attached as I didn't fire it.
Round in magazine
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Bolt closed, round in chamber
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Round withdrawn from chamber
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Round moving forward and up into white lifter assembly which lifts it to the ejection tube abover the barrel.
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round now entering ejection tube
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Best part is that you can oil the crap out of it because the rifle is really good at keeping the dust out.
FS2000 Internals
The next series shows a round being chambered and ejected. Note the bullet is still attached as I didn't fire it.
Round in magazine
Bolt closed, round in chamber
Round withdrawn from chamber
Round moving forward and up into white lifter assembly which lifts it to the ejection tube abover the barrel.
round now entering ejection tube
Best part is that you can oil the crap out of it because the rifle is really good at keeping the dust out.
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It's fun and very easy to control. With a crosshair scope I can get 1.25" groups at the 100 yard bench and that's good enought for me. Velocities match a 20" barrel withch isn't bad as this thing only has 17.6" My wilfe loves shooting it and since the XCR came back from a recall with an even worse trigger, she shoots this instead.
You can shoot this one handed with no issues and even shoot left handed or gith from either shoulder. I've used the AUG, the L85 (SA80) and the FAMAS, but of all the bulpups to date this is my favourite.
You can shoot this one handed with no issues and even shoot left handed or gith from either shoulder. I've used the AUG, the L85 (SA80) and the FAMAS, but of all the bulpups to date this is my favourite.
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