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Coming to a head. The people will only tolerate so much before they break.

We know how President Lincoln handled this.



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Second Amendment an individual right



The U.S. Supreme Court will soon decide D.C. v. Heller, the first case in more than 60 years in which the court will confront the meaning of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Although Heller is about the constitutionality of the D.C. handgun ban, the court's decision will have an impact far beyond the District ("Promises breached," Op-Ed, Thursday).



The court must decide in Heller whether the Second Amendment secures a right for individuals to keep and bear arms or merely grants states the power to arm their militias, the National Guard. This latter view is called the "collective rights" theory.



A collective rights decision by the court would violate the contract by which Montana entered into statehood, called the Compact With the United States and archived at Article I of the Montana Constitution. When Montana and the United States entered into this bilateral contract in 1889, the U.S. approved the right to bear arms in the Montana Constitution, guaranteeing the right of "any person" to bear arms, clearly an individual right.



There was no assertion in 1889 that the Second Amendment was susceptible to a collective rights interpretation, and the parties to the contract understood the Second Amendment to be consistent with the declared Montana constitutional right of "any person" to bear arms.



As a bedrock principle of law, a contract must be honored so as to give effect to the intent of the contracting parties. A collective rights decision by the court in Heller would invoke an era of unilaterally revisable contracts by violating the statehood contract between the United States and Montana, and many other states.



Numerous Montana lawmakers have concurred in a resolution raising this contract-violation issue. It's posted at progunleaders.org. The United States would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract.



BRAD JOHNSON



Montana secretary of state



Helena, Mont.
 

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The roots for the civil war have evolved since I was a kid in elementary school, to High School to College days to adulthood.

The debate over how central slavery was to the war will probably get more heated over time.

There is no doubt a move to redefine to the root cause for the civil war because the majority of sane human beings realize slavery is morally reprehensible, and inexcusable. By expanding the argument southerners dilute the stigma of being pro slavery.

Obviously there is no way of ever getting around the Confederacy had more pro-slavery states compared to the Union; had the south abolished slavery preemptively there probably wouldn’t have been a war at all
 

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But then the tree of liberty from time to time must be replentished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Maybe it's all circular.
That is exactly right. This is an ongoing process where gov'ts are created, and grow to a degree where they must be checked by force.

This is true of every single nation on the planet. 100%. No one is exempt. For some deranged reason people think the USA is somehow elevated above this scenario. How quickly they have forgotten events like the Civil War, and Revolutionary war.

On a long enough timeline this nation will either be corrected by the will of the people, who will not tolerate anymore intrusions, or from an external power who thinks our time is up.

It seems like a very chaotic time is ahead of us.

We are being invaded and having our culture redefined from the south
Gov't encroaches more into our lives with every election
Islamic whackjobs are at the gates
The economy has sold us out, making us a nation of laborers and managers who create almost nothing we consume.

Montana is only the first state in a line of many that seem to be sick of it already. The red states are tired of commie leftist states dictating how we live.

It's all coming to a head.
 

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actually i think it is the other way around, CA use to be a very nice place. everyone moves to CA so they can change it. i see why not stay in your own hometown and try to change that :D
We get a lot of refugees from CA here in UT. Though...for some reason they hate where they came from but want that which they hated here. Funny how that works...
 
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