Not saying at all that people don't want or prefer them. Just saying a 1/2 pound IS a big deal to a lot of people b/c while shooting standing may not make much difference, humping a rifle around while hunting or most other endeavors is simply more taxing.lol - true, but I've never had a return. Ever. And maybe 2 or 3 of them have popped up on Gunbroker in the last half decade by themselves when owners go a different direction.
I'd say most people are happy with the trade-off and quite honestly the weight increase isn't huge when it centers the weight more.
My 11 pound M1A is MUCH more shootable with the PRS stock on the back because it balances the rig. Having all the weight out front on the barrel is fatiguing shooting standing. Having that weight centered over the action reduces the perceived weight because you're not pulling up on the front all the time. You'll have to shoot someone's weapon that's balanced and a pound heavier in actual weight to appreciate the reduction in overall work to shoot.
It's one of the reasons the Tavor and other bullpups are so successful. They're 2 pounds heavier but balanced over an AR. Makes a difference.
With that said, it sounds like I would prefer an ACR stock on an -M, since it's a heavier rifle chambered in a cartridge that favors precision and long barrels.Not saying at all that people don't want or prefer them. Just saying a 1/2 pound IS a big deal to a lot of people b/c while shooting standing may not make much difference, humping a rifle around while hunting or most other endeavors is simply more taxing.
I'd recommend you buy the adapter regardless. You can always sell it for what you paid (or often more) if you decide not to go forward.With that said, it sounds like I would prefer an ACR stock on an -M, since it's a heavier rifle chambered in a cartridge that favors precision and long barrels.
It looks like the ACR stock favors precision adjustments for better aim and it's larger butt would help with recoil mitigation. Is that all I'm benefiting with the stock?
@ LeeMajors: How long do you intend to make the adapter available? I might want to get one when I get an -M but that's a decision for another year.
Me said:Hello Mr. Murphy,
I regret to inform you of another problem with my order. I take no pleasure in typing this as you do hearing them, but I really cannot let these things slide.
The ACR stock adapter I received appears to be an older model or a "test" type. Most of its edges are marred, probably from drops and nicks and not likely due shipping damage. More importantly, the adapter is missing the QD hole and screw holes for the sling point latch.
I understand that aluminum is easily marred but careful handling and anodizing should have avoided this. The part I have now is a display of poor workmanship. I am also not using the sling point features right now, but this item is an indication that I'm not getting the part that I had ordered and paid for. The attached pictures tell all that you need to know.
I am not a perfectionist and the part is functional strictly as an adapter, but this is not what was expected when I ordered it. I assure you I am not here to embarrass, harass, or damage you or your business. My only agenda is to obtain this part for my rifle and go about my day. However, this is the second time you've let me down now and frankly, I'm not in the mood to be accepting your scrap projects. I'm starting to think it's personal.
Unless I'm wrong and all of your parts have been changed to this design, I'll wait for you to ship a new part off your inventory to replace this one. I'll hold onto this part in the meantime until I get the new part. Please and thank you for your time.
RM said:It’s not a test piece. These are production pieces, unfortunately from an alternate machinist as our 4th axis is down semi-permanently.
We run our steps much closer together to avoid the step marks you can see when you zoom in as far as you have and You have zoomed in to a point you cannot see with the naked eye unless you hold it 6” from your nose and stare at it and even then would only see a fraction of what you do with these macro zoomed photos.
You are the only person to complain. At all.
I understand it’s not perfect but unless you own a wall hangar and never shoot your weapon in something other than a standing range, whereas most of us run and gun and run our weapons pretty hard in combat training, this piece is perfectly functional. All of my guns have scratches and nicks and such from hard use. This is combat shooting, not range plinking.
However it appears you like your weapons to not to be used and thus this clearly will not work for you for a museum piece.
Please return it and I will refund your purchase. There will be no more of these made, this is our last run. Ever. They sell too slowly to bother with and have very little profit margin. I ran these as a courtesy to those who kept asking, but there is no way to clean these up and not lose money.
The 30% off sale represents “cost” on these and I’m lucky to sell 2 or 3 a month at regular pricing. Thus they will be sold as “minor blemish” from this point forward and they will never be seen again. No one else is likely to take the time to recreate these for such a small niche weapon.
Your purchase will be refunded upon receipt.
Thank you, and good evening.
Real talk, I've been trying to deal with this guy since April, where did I go wrong him? I don't think I'm being entitled or asking too much by ordering what I thought everyone else was getting, or expecting machined products to be made with care. If I wanted to pay someone to spit at and belittle me, the lady better be naked by the end of it. A transaction is a transaction, but boy do I feel dirty about this. Good luck with the more profitable stuff my friend, not sure if that will make you more happy.Me said:Hi Mr. Murphy,
I really don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm being some kind of ninny. When I criticized the workmanship of the parts, I wasn't making a personal attack at you. I presume you've seen the movie "Falling Down" with Michael Douglass? Look, all I have to go with are the pictures you've put online on the listing and what other people have showed for their rifles. So when I saw that the adapter looked more like the initial prototype from a few years ago I felt disturbed. If I had known about what I was actually getting, I would not have complained. I beg your pardon for having the self-respect to raise my voice when I sense things are amiss.
I wasn't talking about the machine marks and step overs on the surfaces when I showed you my zoomed in pictures; I'm fine with those and I'm familiar with CNC techniques. I was concerned about the edges and sharp angles, they had dings and burrs underneath the anodizing, meaning that it was like that going in. The gun industry makes products more durable than any man everyday, it's just that the scratches and dings don't come out of the box. I know what it's like to own your own business and I'm familiar with the perils of running a CNC shop, so empathize and sympathize with your stress and the issues you're facing. But it's no excuse for sloppiness or taking out your frustration on strangers.
There is a severe lack of communication going on with your side business; I never heard any announcement on your plans for these adapters until now. You could have swapped out the photo on the listing on your webpage with a picture of a current adapter and it would have adjusted my expectations. And now it seems like I'm being scolded for not being aware of any of these things on my own volition. Honestly, what did you expect me to think going into things like this?
Anyway, if all the adapters are the same right now, I can deal with what I got. I don't have the mental energy to deal with this anymore. I wish the price reflected the reduced features, care and machine time versus the adapters in the first batch; but shit happens, that's minor. I don't care what you think of me but I do care about your attitude, it's not healthy. Pay forward some humility and good will to a stranger some time, I won't guarantee you'll live a longer life but I bet you'll live a bit better one.