I absolutely respect what your saying, and I didn't mean to come off like I did in my previous post.
No worries about that, you're being too hard on yourself, you came off just fine.
Trijicon's quality is excellent and I do agree in a battle field situation you need something that is going to hack the abuse, would a bushnell take the constant beating/dropping like an ACOG would, doubtful.
And you know what? For all we know, it just might... Hell, it might even perform better. The difference being the ACOG has already been through it and it's a known, whereas the Bushnell isn't.
Do I feel an ACOG is worth what they are asking, absolutley not
Absolutely agreed. There is no doubt the markup is tremendous on them, and that's almost certainly related to the fact that they know the Gov will pay it since they are battle tested.
And frankly, that's one of the reason I really respect what Bushnell has done. Once again speaking from a civilian perspective, the ACOG is ridiculously expensive, which I'm certain is one of the reasons I've seen so many getting cheap ass Chinese knockoffs and using them. Aside from sending our money over there, which is the last damn thing we need to be doing in these times, it also means that these same people are running "junk" and thinking it's great. Then they wonder why it never holds zero or fogs up or whatever. Often times these are the same people that then end up posting about that particular site and saying it's junk, speaking as though they are an authority, not revealing the fact that they're running a airsoft knockoff.
Stuff like this gives these people a chance to buy a high quality American product that they can afford and will service their needs. You can't have anything but respect for that.
and I think because of their military ties they take advantage of that in their pricing.
Exactly!
Most people buy those scopes because it says ACOG and think its going to magically make them shoot better and sound off that everything else is crap and alot of times they just simply don't know any better.
Hammer? Meet Head...
I recently met a guy at the range talking to one of his buddies about the 1911 he had just bought. He was absolutely trashing it, saying it was absolutely junk and couldn't believe that everyone thought they were so great. And no, it wasn't a crap one either, it was a Kimber. Listening in his main complaint was that it constantly jammed and had FTEs. Thinking perhaps it was just a tuning issue I offered to help. Shot 10 with it with absolutely NO problems at all. After he picked his jaw off the floor he gave it a try. First round jammed. Why? He had absolutely no handgun experience at all. He was shooting so limpwristed the thing was damn near pointing at his head at the peak of it's recoil! After a little instruction he was shooting perfectly. Sure he was a nice guy, and sure he was very thankful, but the fact is, if I or someone with experience hadn't been there he probably would have been home that night in some forum bashing the hell out of Kimber talking about what junk they make.
My point was simply that with a little research you can get a great quality scope with out paying the ACOG price and still be able to achieve what you want to.
Absolutely!
Now, as far as the optics/glass are concerned I am still not quite sold on that. While I have tested many different types of firearms and equipment I will have to say that I am not in anyway an expert on these style scopes, never intensely tested either, so I will not talk out of my ass.
I'm in the same boat since I've never even looked through the Bushnell. I do know that there can be a HUGE difference in glass. That comes not just from my firearms experience, but also from my photography experience. In both fields I see people buy scopes or lenses based on price so many times. As I'm sure you'll agree, just because a scope has the same magnification and diameter doesn't mean it's going to perform just as well as another with the same stats. Would most civilians that are plinking a few targets at 100yards notice any difference? Probably not. But ask a sniper that is saving lives (albeit while taking others >
) if he wants a Bushnell or Leopold mounted and I'm pretty sure of the answer. In the same respect, you probably won't see too many professional photographers running around with Sigma glass on their cameras either.
Now that I said that, I will say this. As far as night vision is concerned, (which I know wasn't ever brought up LOL) nothing beats a Trijicon. They simply got their stuff together in that field and I will absolutley give credit where credit is do. They are a good company and make a quality product and I am definatley not arguing that point.
I have exactly zero NV experience, but I'll take your word on it!
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