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There is a fund drive going on today for Ron Pauls campaign. He has already raised $3.2 million dollars since this morning. The main stream media has also picked up on this so it is creating some very good publicity for Ron Paul. If you believe in freedom and have some spare change to donate I would encourage you to make a donation to his campaign: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Remember that Ron Paul has the most donations of any other candidate from our troops in Iraq. He is also the only candidate that votes consistently on his principles, so even if you don't agree with him 100% on all issues at least you'll know what to expect.

He is also the only pro-gun candidate that has a chance of winning.

I donated $100 today.
 

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First politician I ever donated money to. Ron Paul rocks! :rockon:
 

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I respect his opinion but not a Ron Paul fan. His anti-war stance rubs me the wrong way.
He is not anti-war in principle. He simply believes that it should be up to the Congress (and thus the people) instead of one man (the President). The difference between the President going into war and Congress is that Congress has a responsibility to define what the war is about and what specific outcomes are expected. The President can send troops in without really any concrete goals - this is what we have today.

Ron Paul voted FOR going after Bin Laden and even wrote a bill to put a bounty on Bin Ladens head.

His stance boils down to:

Wars are to fight nations, not criminal groups. For criminal groups you need to send in our special forces and also put a bounty on the criminals. This technique has been used effectively for thousands of years.

Still, I believe that terrorism is a much less critical issue right now than our economy. The decline of the dollar is going to have a much larger impact on our day to day lives than any terrorist attack. We literally cannot afford this war so whether it is successful or not is irrelevant because in the end we're going to be broke.

The rate of fall is increasing every day. The dollar is falling at a higher rate than the rate of the average pay increase. So Americans are working harder to get a raise and yet these raises aren't even keeping up with the devaluation of the dollar!



Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that has any clue about what is going on:

 

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With all due respect ~ all I hear is the same anti-war / anti-Bush retoric.
I still respect the point of view but just don't agree with it.
I realize that Ron Paul has supporter ~ just not me.
 

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With all due respect ~ all I hear is the same anti-war / anti-Bush retoric.
The rhetoric may sound the same but the underlying reasoning is different. The only reason the left/Democrats are against the war is not because they have logically thought about it, no, they are against it because they had to find something to complain about so that they could promote their own party. The war was a convenient conversation piece.

I don't care about the Democrat vs Republican rivalry, I care about how policies affect the day to day life of Americans, including myself. If someone wants to bomb people somewhere far away I honestly couldn't care less but when I'm forced to pay for it and the economy on which I depend is forced to its knees as a result I will surely be against whatever is causing it. I don't care if it's a war on terrorism, a war on drugs, a war on education or a war on poverty. If any of those things pose a serious threat to our economy and currency I will be opposed to them, because as I said, when all is said and done, the economy and our currency will be the final determination in our way of life and standard of living. We could kill every terrorist in the world and eliminate hunger but we'll go broke doing it and being frightened of towel wearing folks on the other side of the world won't seem as bad as not being able to buy the things we want and need because our dollars will be worthless.

It's not a matter of being anti-Bush and anti-War but being pro-freedom and pro-free market. Right now we've been spending billions of dollars bombing countries and then spending more billions of dollars rebuilding the same bridges and infrastructure that we bombed, while we can't even afford to fix roads and bridges at home. This situation is completely absurd.

I wish people were more passionate about our economy and dollar than about our military power. We are living beyond our means and fighting wars we cannot afford. Sooner or later something has got to give.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Nobody could have predicted that the Roman Empire would one day fall apart from it's own carelessness. And yet here we are today, going down the same path. :duh:

Here is a thought: What if we had taken half of the money that we've spent on the war and put that up as the bounty on Osamas bin Laden. I am certain that some enterprising individual, if not a fellow towel wearer, would have done whatever is necessary to catch/betray Osama. Heck, 10 billion dollars would be more than enough incentive to track him down.

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It seems the rhetoric is more pro-free market than pro-freedom. But as retired military I fought for your right to say it. Personally, I for one don't mind paying my fair share of taxes to be fighting terrorists on their soil and not chasing them around my backyard.
 

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I guess we'll just have to see what happens. But my gut tells me that the next couple of years are not going to be pleasant.
 

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I agree that we are going down the same path as the Roman Empire. I don't think it's the war in Iraq or the war on terrorism that is going to brake us. It will be all these domestic programs and subsidies. But yes if we do find ourselves fighting to many wars at once, it will brake us.
 

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I'm not a democrat so in the worst case scenario I won't be running off to Canada like some famous Hollywood personalities were fond of saying - I'll be staying here and sending my elected representatives lots of faxes, emails, and phone calls to let them know they may have been elected by fooling a lot of people but we're watching and remembering. Plus I'll buy something new in January of 2009 just to send a message.

But the worst case won't happen because Hillary's true colors will come out once she's under any kind of pressure.
 

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well... worst case scenario, we run off to Canada after Hilary wins office. They have XCRs there... can't be that bad. :(
If Hillary becomes president she will turn America into Canada with its social healthcare system and gun bans. You won't have to go to Canada.
 

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I agree that we are going down the same path as the Roman Empire. I don't think it's the war in Iraq or the war on terrorism that is going to brake us. It will be all these domestic programs and subsidies. But yes if we do find ourselves fighting too many wars at once, it will brake us.


It's not the number of wars that counts but how much they cost.

Our military expenditures are larger than our domestic programs expenditures. Eitherway, we have to cut both, significantly, just one won't be enough.

Being pro-freedom and pro-free market go hand in hand. The idea of a free market is the voluntary exchange of ideas and goods between people. If people are not free to contract with one another, exchange goods and ideas, then you cannot have freedom. The more regulated our economy and devalued our currency the harder it becomes for the free market to function.
 

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well... worst case scenario, we run off to Canada after Hilary wins office. They have XCRs there... can't be that bad. :(
If Hillary becomes president she will turn America into Canada with its social healthcare system and gun bans. You won't have to go to Canada.

>_< True.... we'll just have to outlast the cow.
 

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