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BREVARD, Jan. 19, 2008 - Retired Army Green Beret James T. (Smokey) Taylor got his court martial this weekend and came away feeling pretty good about it. Taylor, at age 79, is one of the oldest members of Chapter XXXIII (The Larry Thorne Chapter) of the Special Forces Association.He was placed on trial by fellow Chapter XXXIII members under the charge of “failing to use a weapon of sufficient caliber” in the shooting of an intruder at his home in Knoxville , TN , in November.

The court martial, of course, was very much tongue in cheek. The event itself was deadly serious. Taylor had been awakened in the early morning hours of November 5, 2007,when an intruder broke into his home. He investigated the noises with one of his many weapons in hand. “It was just after Halloween, on Monday morning at 4:30,” Taylor said. I heard this commotion at the door and grabbed my fishing gun, a little .22 revolver, to see what was going on. I got to the front door and this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame. He said, ‘you’re going to have to kill me. I’m coming in.’”

When a warning to leave went unheeded, Taylor brought his .22 caliber pistol to bear and shot him right between the eyes. “I was about four feet away from him when I shot,” Taylor said. “Looking back now, I’m glad he didn’t die, but that boy had the hardest head I’ve ever seen. The bullet bounced right off.” The impact knocked the would-be thief down momentarily. He crawled out of the house then got up and ran down the street. Taylor dialed 911 and Knoxville police apprehended the wounded man about 200 yards away, hiding in a hedgerow.

Complicating the case, as well as the court martial, the offender was released on bail but failed to appear for his court date. Knoxville police said the man was homeless. They did not know his whereabouts or why he had been given bail. The charges brought against Taylor by his fellow Green Berets were considered to be serious. He is a retired Special Forces Weapons Sergeant with extensive combat experience during the wars in Korea and Vietnam. “Charges were brought against him under the premise that he should have saved the county and taxpayers the expense of a trial,” said Chapter XXXIII President Bill Long of Asheville , NC.

The trial was held at the Hampton Inn in Brevard, part of the group’s regularly scheduled quarterly meeting. Long appointed a judge, Bert Bates, a defense counsel, Jim Hash, and a prosecutor, Charlie Ponds. All are retired Special Forces non-commissioned officers with extensive combat and weapons experience. Ponds outlined the case against Taylor , emphasizing that the citizens of Knox County were going to be burdened with significant costs to again apprehend, and then prosecute and defend the would-be burglar.

“Proper choice of a larger caliber gun would have spared the citizens this financial burden,” Ponds said, “while removing one bad guy from the streets for good. He could have used a .45 or .38. The .22 just wasn’t big enough to get the job done. Hash disagreed. He said Taylor had done the right thing in choosing to arm himself with a 22. “If he’d used a .45 or something like that the round would have gone right through the perp, the wall, the neighbor’s wall and possibly injured some innocent child asleep in its bed. I believe the evidence shows that Smokey Taylor exercised excellent judgment in his choice of weapons. He clearly remains to this day an excellent weapons man.”

Hash then floated a theory as to why the bullet bounced off the perp’s forehead. “He was victimized by old ammunition,” he said, “just as he was in Korea and again in Vietnam , when his units were issued ammo left over from World War II.” Taylor said nothing in his own defense, choosing instead to allow his peers to debate the matter. The jury, consisting of all the members of the Chapter, discussed the merits of choosing a larger caliber weapon as well as the obvious benefits to society of permanently deleting the intruder so he would never again threaten any private citizen. The other side of the coin, that of accidentally causing injury to a completely innocent citizen if a more powerful gun had been used, also gained considerable support.

Following testimony from both sides, Judge Bates determined the charges should be dismissed. The decision was met with a round of applause. In fact, there was strong sentiment expressed that Taylor should receive an award for not only choosing wisely in picking up the 22, but for the accuracy of his aim under difficult and dangerous conditions (79 years old!!! He was around 36 when the M16 was first adopted. Just to put that in perspective.). After the trial Taylor said the ammunition was indeed old and added the new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out the door. “I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through his forehead,” Taylor said. “It was good for both of us that it didn’t.” Meanwhile, back in Knox County , the word is out: Don’t go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.

Tribune Editor Bill Fishburne is a member of the Larry Thorne Chapter XXXIII of the Special Forces Association. Hat tip


He has a "fishing gun"?!?!?!
 

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That's why it is important to "rotate" (i.e. shoot for practice) your ammo from your carry (house) gun. This insures "fresh" ammo in the gun that you use for protection. And a less chance of a Murphy visit. :2cents:
 

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I have a fishing gun...it is a little .22 revolver snub nose.
 

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errr...to put the fish out of their misery?
(Asks the token non-fish eater of the forum)

As an aside, I'm certainly glad the old soldier came out of the experience no worse for wear.




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Fun:

Get a 6 to 8 foot alligator gar as close to shore as you can. Set the lock on your reel, and then attempt to hold it only in your left hand (remember, the fish isn't happy about all this).

With your right hand, draw the weapon - in my case a S&W K-22 Outdoorsmans Masterpiece, and attempt to shoot the fish in the head.

Doing anything with an alligator gar that isn't dead is a recipie for missing fingers.

They aren't good for eating, but they're fun as a sporting fish, and are universally hated for killing off everything else in the lakes.
 

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Are you kidding me? This must be a hoax.

Second question ~ how do you get court martialed when you are retired?
 

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I use mine mostly for Snakes...

I know of military organizations that meet just to give each other a hard time and remember the good old days. I am sure this is one of those times.
 

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Are you kidding me? This must be a hoax.

Second question ~ how do you get court martialed when you are retired?
The intruder /shooting was very real but the "court martial" was done,as the article stated "tongue in cheek".
 

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Court Martialed post retirement, load of bollocks
 

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Hey AZIATOR.....does
"AK" stand for Arkansas(If so they need a 12 ga or bigger and watch the REAR might be a Politysonfish),Alaska...been there still need a 12 ga....or Auto Kalishnikov(If so then just need ammo..........??? Gramps
 

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Yeah, I already know about them pesky AK Fish and Game guys that wear bear suits. And first a .22 and now a .410 in AK? I guess some folk like a challenge.

And isn't R-kansas AR? Or is it Arkansaw? That's the state with the silent 'w', or is it the invisible 'w' at the end?
 

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Sorry, Alaska. Try boating a 100+ pound halibut. Like pulling a 55 chevy hood off the bottom of the ocean then as soon as you get it in the boat it tries to tear the boat apart. Easier to dispatch them in the water before they get in the boat.
 

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Court Martialed post retirement, load of bollocks
Go back and read the entire article. You'll see that his buddies down at the SF Assn chapter were having a mock trial and it was all tongue in cheek.

No real articles for courts martial were filed and no JAG officers were present.

A fishing gun indeed.

This is why I don't mess with old men. You don't know which ones of the old farts low-crawled across Iwo Jima or Normandy and collected ears. It's not really worth the risk. ;)
 

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As a retired Green Beret , I know it may be dificult for civilians to understand that a court martial after service by a Special forces association members court martial may sound wierd but we gotta keep up the standards we learned in SF . We learn how to do it right the first time and yes we (most of us old guys ) do retain all the stuff we learned for our trade craft . And once a green beret , always a green beret .
Personally , I think he should of used an XCR SBR with a suppressor in 6.8 cal . Besides if you gotta do the deed , why not use a really cool gun .That would of sent a better message to the perps in his area .
Besides we may be old but somethings are just plain funny.
 

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I interoperate this case as ‘damned if you do and damned if you don’t’ shoot the prick.

Why on earth were charges pressed against the victim? ! ? !

Many people say that it is best to have a ‘less than lethal’ round as your 1st round in your home defense shotgun. Their point is that if you had to fire twice … you NEEDED to. Sounds to me like this guy would have been in the same predicament if he had used a rubber bullet or just harsh words.

Ridiculous.
 
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