[aziator]

For those of you that have done a Form 1 in the past who have you used for the engraving? Also, if you did your XCR where did you do the engraving? Thanks

 

[Prizm]

I take it to my smith. He does the engraving and cuts my barrels as well. If you take just the lower, I believe jewelers can do it as well.

 

[1redgmc]

So gents, say I buy an "XYZ" lower from my friendly FFL dealer. Upon completion of the purchase, this lower is now "registered" to me the same as if I were to buy a complete rifle, and thus constitutes a "firearm" - because I can now add any "standard" upper at will, without any further documentation. This is no different than buying an XCR and swapping the upper or doing a caliber change, correct?

You seem to need a Harvard education to decipher this, but as I understand it, all that is needed is to take my now registered "XYZ" lower, complete the Form 1, submit my trust (or fingerprints/photo/etc.), $200 fee, and WAIT for the approval.

It appears (to me) that you may use the ORIGINAL manufacturers S/N and you may then proceed to build your SBR after approval.

What am I missing?

Upon approval, are you saying that I must engrave my lower? That doesn't make sense to me. How can I submit my Form 1 (which requires a S/N in Box 4a and 4g). Am I to make up a S/N and then apply that S/N only after approval?

http://www.atf.gov/pub/qtrly_bulletins/vol3_qb2001/subpartc.pdf

Quote from Form 1 instructions:

If an existing firearm is being modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item 4a. DO NOT ALTER OR MODIFY THE EXISTING SERIAL NUMBER. If the NFA firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g.

Help me understand... thanks!

 

[aziator]

If you are submitting a Form 1 then you are "making" a Title II weapon out af a Title I weapon. As the maker you need to engrave your info on it. Mine will say

C. Damato
Richmond Hill, GA

Everything else you listed is spot on. I sent the forms, a $400 check (registering 2 lowers) and my trust info to the NFA Branch yesterday. I found a place called Orion that does fantastic engraving so I will probably send the lowers out to them.

 

[1redgmc]

Thanks for helping me understand, and I appreciate the additional info.

Sometimes it takes an extra smack or two to get it past my thick skull.

 

[ny32182]

I got mine done at Orion Arms in Minnesota:

Not museum quality work, but for the price, I'm happy. I'd use them again. I think the front of the magwell is the best spot on an AR. I doubt there is enough real estate to put it there on an XCR. I've thought about it, and really, I can't think of a *good*, out of the way legal spot to put it on the XCR receiver. Below the XCR logo on the right side is about as good as its going to get, I think.

The other option is to buy a factory SBR.

 

[1redgmc]

NY - is that machine engraved or laser cut? Is there an ATF mandate for size and depth, as referenced in the previously referenced ATF Pub? There seems to be some confusion (or at least some cloudiness on my part) in this particular area - now that I understand the actual SBR 'manufacturing' process.

 

[ny32182]

red - I do not know the exact method of engraving that is used. It does not look like a laser etching to me though.

Yes, there is a mandate for size, depth, position, etc. Orion advertizes their engraving service specifically to meet such federal requirements, so, without finding specialized tooling to measure depth, etc, I will assume it is good.

 

[sterling99]

I have a question.

So lets say I have the stamp for the XCR. I need to get it engraved. Can I send the lower out even if it is now an NFA weapon? I would guess not.

 

[ny32182]

I sent mine out.

I don't think its an NFA weapon until its engraved. Thus the need to engrave.

 

[aziator]

Yeah, Orion said there really isnt enough room to do it on the front of the magwell on the XCR. They recommend putting it on the right side above the Fire Control Group. I will have to see where I want it...

 

[1redgmc]

So what'll it cost - round trip + engraving for Orion? On average that is... to Georgia?

 

[aziator]

He said $35 per lower for 2 lines plus shipping back would be around $14.

 

[1redgmc]

Very reasonable. Thanks!

 

[roughneck2zero]

Hate to resurect an old thread, but I'm just geting into this forum (cause I just bought an XCR).

One of my buddies had his AR engraved on the bottom of the lower above the trigger. He had to strip it down, open up the grigger guard and pay like $20 extra for the trouble. But it's cool, legal and no one looks there unless he points it out.

I didn't do much research into it before I did my AR's. It's just on the right side of the magwell.

 

[aziator]

I have seen it done there, looks good too. It wasn't worth the extra to me though.

 

[Firestarter]

My apologies for straying slightly off topic but can Orion do custom engraving such as crests etc?

I am building an Argentine FN FAL with an Argy receiver and would like to add a crest to it.

Just curious.

Oh and Roughneck...Congrats on your purchase!! :toast:

 

[1redgmc]

My apologies for straying slightly off topic but can Orion do custom engraving such as crests etc?

I am building an Argentine FN FAL with an Argy receiver and would like to add a crest to it.

Just curious.

Just drop a note to Ryan over at Orion Arms and ask him directly. Ryan responds QUICKLY to e-mail... even on the weekends.

[email protected]

 

[Firestarter]

1redgmc,

Thanks for the tip and contact info! 8)

 

[roughneck2zero]

Thanks. I've been a fan of these for some time. I think they're one of the most inginuitive rifles out there.

On the engraving, personalizing is cool, since if its an SBR its "your" lower forever.