[cavegeo]

"She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Quote from CNN report on the shooting at the church in Colorado.

"She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said of the guard, whom he said is not a law enforcement officer and used her personal weapon.

I am quite amazed that they even mention this in their report. This shows what is really needed, more people defending themselves with there own firearms rather than waiting for the police.

 

[aziator]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Yeah, i was amazed at the report, but the report after that was a little disturbing. About a woman arrested for "trying" to take a weapon into Magic Kingdom at Disney World. They said "why would anyone need to take a weapon into the Happiest Place on Earth?" Then made fun of her for having a knife in her purse also.

 

[cavegeo]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

I live not far from Disney and around here and there is much dislike for Disney and there policies. They opposed a new law that would allow workers to leave their firearms in there vehicles even on company owned property. Disney has very liberal policies but since they are one of the biggest employers they get their way.

Additonal quotes from the article.

A New Life parishioner acting as a security guard shot and killed the gunman after he had gotten no more than 50 feet inside the building, Boyd said.

Boyd said the female security guard was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church.

 

[magikbullet]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

that's a great story of successful ccw with the church volunteer!

as for the lady that got arrested at disney, was she arrested because she didn't have a ccw permit? if she had had a permit would they have just asked her to leave?

 

[cavegeo]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Disney is private property and have signs stating that weapons are prohibited. Disney even has their own police force that detained her till the regular police arrived and arrested her.

She will most likely be charged with carrying concealed weapon which is a felony I believe if you do not have a CCW.

 

[MickeyC]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

I have a few friends who work here at Disney and they seem to love calling the place 'Dismal World'. Disney doesn't treat it's own employees that well. unless of course you're the CEO.

 

[variablebinary]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Have you seen the vid though

I swear she should be smacked...maybe her kids could have been gun down prior to the shooter being shot...think she would be saying "No no no no no" then

 

[TEXAS SOLFTAIL]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

I just don't understand people like that?

 

[magikbullet]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

I was watching that morning joe live when she said that. I'll admit I was yelling at the tv.

I can't get my head around the fundamental disconnect that some people have not only with guns but with self defense as well. You can show them all the statistics of guns preventing violence and saving good people that you want, they won't give up their wish for a magic wand that would make all guns and bad people go away. It really is pathetic, I bet if she was getting raped in an alley and you happened by and shot the rapist dead, she'd condemn you for not calling 911 and having an icky gun... :

 

[MickeyC]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

There are some people who would rather be assaulted and then complain that the police need more powers or that more gun control is the answer, even though crimminals don't care, rather than defend themselves. For some the idea of having to defend themselves and possibly injur or kill the assaulter is something they simply can not get their heads around.

For some of these people, anyopne who does actually defend themselves or others is seen as something closer to a crimminal than a saviour. Why, because they were willing to do harm! The reason doesn't matter to them, simply the fact that here is someone who was willing to harm another person.

The fact that police and military may do this is a double standard but one they are happy to live with.

I have a friend who loves to shoot but who thinks pistols should be banned, even though he loves to shoot a 1911. Go figure!

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Historically Law Enforcement Officers have been seen in the eyes of a lot of people as thugs. Thugs who they pay to protect them from harm. This is how it started out in London, England hundreds of years ago when Mr. Peel went around and hired a bunch of thugs to police the streets of London.

Australia, started out as a penal colony where a lot of prisoners were transported from the streets of England to colonize the wilderness of Australia. With this in mind, hundreds of years have past but people still don't trust and accept their Law Enforcement Officers the way I see they do here. It's a different mentality. It's like trying to get a Latino person (I hope that's politically correct?) to trust a LEO here, they have an ingrained mistrust of them.

All that being said, people have hired all these LEO (thugs) to patrol the streets when they go to bed at night and protect them from all the boogie men out there wanting to do them harm. They don't care that these people have brains too, that's not a requirement in the mind of the public in general, they just want them to be every where that they are needed instantly. When it comes up that maybe the members of the public may have to help defend themselves from time to time, it's kinda repulsive to them stating "That's why we have Police to do that for us". How do I know all this?? Because I have been in Law Enforcement for over 26 years, and still patrol the streets when the sun goes down.

None of this was said to invoke an argument, it is just how I see the world having lived on 3 continents, and is just my humble opinion as a person who has served their community for 26+ years and enjoyed nearly every minute of it.

 

[aziator]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

When it comes up that maybe the members of the public may have to help defend themselves from time to time, it's kinda repulsive to them stating "That's why we have Police to do that for us".

I don't think I could look myself in the mirror everyday knowing that I wasn't capable enough to defend myself and my family but instead had to ask another individual (more than likely a complete stranger) to risk their life to defend me. Granted, as military we are asked to do something similiar but I am OK with it. I still want to be able to defend myself and family without worring what the response time for the local PD is.

I have the utmost respect for LEO, they do what most others dont want to do, I still don't want to ask them to risk their life for me if I am not willing to risk my life for myself or family.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

That's just it, you don't have to ask for any LEO to go out of their way to risk their life for anyone in need. If they have to be asked, they shouldn't be in the job.

I was totally moved by the thought of when that cowardly scum attacked the World Trade Center. I was working in Australia at the time and the TV footage showed hundreds of people running for their lives away from the scene of the crash, while LEOs and Fire Fighters were actively running towards the scene to "Do Their Job".

That really touched my heart, and if it came down to it I only hope I can show the bravery and selflessness shown by those officers which ultimately cost a lot of their lives. They really insired me to do the job I do to the best of my ability.

 

[MickeyC]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

In general I think LEO do a good job.

But, people should also be prepared, capable and allowed to defend themselves. There aren't enough LEO to protect everybody all the time, and no economy can afford to have enough to do so. LEO try to prevent crime, but usually react during the crime or after the crime has occurred. As an individual you should be prepared and ideally both able and capable, to defend yourself when the crime actually occurs.

Not a criticism of LEO, just a factual statement. Self defence and LEO services complement each other to protect people from violent crime. Expecting LEO to take the whole burden for crime prevention, crime reaction and post crime work is unrealistic.

If someone breaks into my home and tries to kill me and rape my wife I'm going to try and defend us. Ideally the police will be able to come, but only after the engagement has ocurred. To expect anything else is unrealistic. But at the end of the day if ther is a shootout at a bank or some other street scenario, civillians will run away, police will run towards the fireefight and do their job. Enough said.

 

[admin]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

If you're looking for the rambo discussion (shit storm?), it was moved here: http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,462.0.html

 

[cavegeo]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Thank you Lex the other conversation was taking away from the original post. ;D

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Lex, again you are doing a wonderful job sorting out the normal topics from the distorted and surreal.

:thanks:

 

[aziator]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

Thanks Lex, nice to have it cleaned up every now and then...

 

[Bravo]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

You buy 'em new books, new clothes, and a mule to ride to school.

What you find is the new clothes on the ground, and them standing on the books to "gain access" to the mule.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: "She probably saved over a hundred lives,"

You funny guy! ;D