[Ranly]

Sig 226 or H&k USP

Im going to sell my Walther P99QA .40S&W with the titanium coated slide to my brother not that theres anything wrong with it, he just likes it and wants it, so I figured Id get me a new gun hand gun. Which should I get? Ive heard a lot of good things of both dose it just come down to personal preferance? what do you people think?

 

[Sloan441]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

It comes down to personal preference. Personally, I prefer to have guns without double-action lockworks. Hence, neither. Although, at least the USP is convertable to a single-action setup, which is a slight improvement over the SIG. On the downside for both is the high boreline, which irritates me.

Bottom line: get a P7. Trust me. You will not regret it. Honorable mention goes to the Browning HiPower.

 

[tinman]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

i love my 226. but, as in most cases, its going to be up to you and what feels right in your hand, which shoots better for you, and sometimes, which one you can afford. wish i could have them all. ;D

 

[variablebinary]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

I got a 226 in August and a USP tactical a few days back.

Between the two, the USP has all the advantages

Better trigger, lighter, softer recoil, slimmer grip, better capacity (in .40), single action first shot with cocked and locked, etc etc etc

 

[Mick Nartin]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

I've got both and like them both.

If I had to pick one, it would be the USP. I like the option to carry condition one. I also find the slide release on the Sig to located right where I normally rest my thumb. If you inadvertently leave your thumb on the slide release, the slide doesn't lock back after the last round. Nothing that can't be fixed with practice, but it's just not an issue on the USP.

Some of the nice things about the Sig are the standard rail (instead of the HK proprietary rail on the USP), it feels great in the hand, and the availability of a factory short reset trigger (which is extremely well done).

However, I think you can't go wrong with either. You've picked two winners.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Well said Mick,

They are both extremely good pistols. My choice would have to be the Sig as my new fav is the P220 Elite stainless. I have never had a pistol shoot so well from round one, and everyone who shoots it maintains a very good grouping, and that is unusual. I shot the P220 and the .45 UPS back to back the other day and my preference still goes to the Sig, but then everyone is different.

Shoot both guns if you can and make the choice that way.

Enjoy!

 

[Mick Nartin]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Aussie,

I have a 220 Match (5" barrel), that I feel the same way as you do about the Elite. Talk about a great shooting gun! I had Sig put the short reset trigger on it and it was a great upgrade. As far as single stack .45s go, I'd take the 220 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I know this will bring gasps from the 1911 contingent, but the 220 has proven itself to be very accurate and completely reliable. Besides, if one were a die-hard SAO fan, there's always the 220 SAO.

BTW - The beavertail on the 220 Elite is a nice touch.

 

[Ranly]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Its a really tough decision, the only thing keeping me from a usp is that its polymer frame, my Cz 75 just balances so nice in comparison to my P99 which is a polymer, being a minor and in the middle of the country it would be rather difficult to compair side by side I think. This is kinda what Ive gathered fromreading around but here it sounds like the usp is prefered, sound abut right to any one? right now im leaning towards the sig, its cheaper to.

balance- 226
grip- USP
sights- 226
accuracy- 226
durrability dosent matter im not throwing it at a brick wall, both are great I've read and seen.
recoil- ???

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Ranly,

Can you find anyone who own either gun?  Personally I feel better holding the Sig over the USP, but again that's just how I feel.

I have shot most of the H&K's, but don't own one, and all the Sigs and personally own 4 of them (not to mention being a Sig dealer!) 

(I said not to mention that!)

I also own 3 Kimber 1911 pistols which, until getting my new P220 Elite Stainless pistol, was my favorites.  They just shoot good, as does the H&K.

I will own the New H&K 45 soon to be released but until then they just don't "float my boat".

 

[everalm]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Ranly,

Since you already have and like the CZ range, have you considered the CZ97 for a .45?

 

[i303]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Well here's food for thought:

What HG is lighter? Carries more rounds in the mag? Can change trigger pull weight easily, among other items? Is cheaper? And is deadly accurate?

After carrying "other" well known brands of HG as a duty gun, to include a recent HK model, and always have owned a Sig, I find the Glock to be best hands down. For a long time I shunned the plastic gun so evil that even a metal detector cannot detect it and every other Glock explodes like a grenade at least twice a week. Even having previously owned a G22 and a G27 and not shooting it much. Mainly because my duty gun, a Beretta 96D Brigadier, I didn't want to mess with my Beretta-fu since I've mastered the long and heavy trigger pull and shot high qual scores.

It is my opinion, but I've come to a realization that a shitload of Glock owners knew all along. I now have over 3000 rounds through my G22, yes it's even one of those crappy recalled frame one, and I've come to find that it's far more accurate and smooth than I previously though since I broke the Beretta/HK/Sig strangle hold I've had to deal with for the past 14 years.

I now routinely take my Glock, sig p229 dak, and Hk p2000 lem for extensive shooting sessions now. The Glock runs circles around them.

But between the two you mentioned I'd pick the P226. It has a smoother trigger and decently balanced. But as the HK, it's overpriced for what it offers. I will always have a bias gainst DA/SA guns.

 

[Ranly]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Not looking for a 45 until I can get a concealed carry permit, right now Im looking at 9mm. Agreed 1303 thats kinda what Ive always thought about hk from looking and reading, Ive never used one though, my fathers duty wepons a glock but I doubt he'll let me shoot it, also I like weight behind a hand gun, so Im thinking my vote going towards the sig Thanks for all the input everyone.

 

[Sloan441]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

If you're restricting it to 9mmP, then I'll reiterate that you should look at the HK P7 while some are still around for relatively reasonable prices. It really is that good. If nothing else, it's a service pistol the size of many compacts and excels at concealed carry, even if it is a bit weighty.

Still, in 9mmP, the G19 is hard to beat. Cheap, effective, compact (if a touch fat), and reliable. Although I don't own one, I myself am mightily tempted by the Steyr M-A1 series guns. Personally, I'd lean to the .40, but with 9mmP costs being what they are, it's worth a look as well, especially for their artificially low price. It is essentially a product improved Glock and worthy of consideration.

 

[Ranly]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Sorry, I guess I was very unspecific, Im trying to get away from the glock style, I havent shot my fathers glock but from holding it, and playing with it I prefer my p99, Im really thinking against the usp becuse of the polymer frame they just dont feel right from the the two Ive held, the usp is really loved and hyped but arrgh I want to like it but I cant bring myself to...

 

[i303]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Not looking for a 45 until I can get a concealed carry permit, right now Im looking at 9mm. Agreed 1303 thats kinda what Ive always thought about hk from looking and reading, Ive never used one though, my fathers duty wepons a glock but I doubt he'll let me shoot it, also I like weight behind a hand gun, so Im thinking my vote going towards the sig Thanks for all the input everyone.

I like the extra weight too if all I had to do is just shoot it and as long as I don't have to hold it up all too long. However, when you carry conceal, such as I do in plain clothes assignment, that heavy gun will start to feel like a boat anchot (beretta 96D) and you will find your self continuosly pulling your belt and pants up alot and continuosly readjusting. When I transitioned to the P2000, alot lighter and compact gun, the hassle with the extra weight is noticeable. Sigs are heavy. I like to shoot it but I'd pick the lighter gun.

BTW, did you consider the P2000 besides the USP? Do you want to stich to a bigger gun if you plan to CCW in the future. My school of thought is get'em all and figure out what you want. Might be the expensive route. Buy second hand from private sellers if you can and you'll get the best deals. Often guns are seldom shot and compare the prices to those on GB, GA, or Strum. Don't buy a cops' duty gun unless you personally know him and can vouch for its' use. I seldom buy from stores or dealers anymore. I don't know how are the ranges in your area, you might want to visit a range that rents those guns and you will get the first hand experience to see what works for you. Apparently in AZ 18 y/o and older can rent guns at a range

You sound like a young guy. I wished I started getting into pistols at your age. I did some, but very little. Did you ask your dad if he'd let you try out his duty gun? Heck, I let my 12 y/o shoot all my guns to include the duty ones. Might as well get him started right. Can you imagine what kind of shot he will be when he's 18 or 21??

 

[Ranly]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Yea thats the problem, no ranges or guns dealers, geez Im 17 and I have one of the best collection in town IMO... No one to borrow from who has anything I really want, one of my freinds father has a lot of nice rifles but thats not what I want. as far as the range its only open for speacle events, I usualy have to shoot out in the many many miles emptieness that surounds us and hope not to hit a darn cow, and yea keep him shooting so he can be ahelluva shot...

 

[TEXAS SOLFTAIL]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Don't have any experience with the Sig or the H&K, price holds me back. Don't care for 9mm also. have owned Glocks, Love them in 45ACP.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Texas,

Have you considered a Sig Sauer CPO (Certified Pre Owned) They are not that expensive and they are re-manufactured and refinished as required, carrying a one year warranty.

Take a look: http://sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=55&productid=201

Thet are worth the money

 

[TEXAS SOLFTAIL]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

Didn't know there was such a thing. What is the price range? If it doesn't have hi-cap mags I don't want it. thanks, TEX

 

[crashy]

Re: Sig 226 or H&k USP

What about a Steyr M9A1? You can get one from CDNN for $350. Check out:

www.steyrclub.com

Crashy