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Funny thing, first it was the ammo and all that "raw material cost v. war in Iraq" issue. Then gas started to creep up, followed by domestic goods, then the housing bubble burst, now gas shooting up, and followed by food again.
550 rounds of bulk is just over $12 at Wallyworld. That's about $4 more than it was 18 months ago.
However having 5 kids to feed, 4 who are old enough to shoot, me having enough guns and ammo to equip them with real guns, I've come out of the closet and have gone full blown 22.
I will admit to having 4 .22 rifles, 5 now after having bought another 10/22 a few days ago for $199 new. I don't buy 22 pistols b/c I get .40 cal for free so why bother for now.
I have 2 CZ's 452. One is a Lux and the other a Scout/youth. We also have a Savage Cub that I smoothed out the trigger. And a Chipmunk for the 3 y/o.
We go out around sundown time when it drops to around 100 degrees. Unfortunately so do the flies. We shoot targets out to about 200 meters (yes the euro measurement shit) and targets as small as milk jug caps. Those are shot at around 50 meters. Only the Lux is scoped (Leopold VariX 3x9). My kids are now 13, 12, 10, and 3. My 13 and 12 y/o are good shooters. My 10 y/o is getting there. My 3 y/o just likes to pull the trigger but she will aim in. Not sure if she is really aiming but she has the idea. For now she only shoots Aguila Colibri rounds which are about as potent as an average BB gun.
More and more I find myself just doing the 22 thang.
Out of all the 22's I love the CZ Scout the best, seconded by the Lux version. I bought those when they where around $170 or so each. The CZ's are hands down the best 22's for the money.
The Savage is nice, specially with the peep sight. The trigger is crap when you consider that a 6 to 10 y/o will be shooting it. But it's nothing that about 45 minutes with a fine file and emory cloth can't fix.
The 10/22's is POS's as it comes from the factory. 22 aren't known to be reliable in semi or full auto. Some breaking in or tweaking is always required and 10/22's are the best when it comes to tweaking with just about everything under the sun available to them. I think Ruger just cranks them out of the factory not caring about the quality knowing this unless you shell out for that top of the line target 10/22. I like mine simple. I usually replace the hammer for improved trigger and the extractor so I can shoot the bulk crap ammo. With this one I'm getting the AR style Tech-Sights. That and about 10 Butler Creek steel lip mags and a loader.
My older kids prefer the 10/22 but I see them picking up the CZ's from time to time. The only issue with kids and 10/22's is that since 10/22's are known for FTE's and if you don't watch the lazy farts, they might leave one in the chamber because "They forgot" to check the chamber and brought it back behind the firing line. This usualy occurrs after a FTE and for some reason unexplainable to me, well fuck..you get the idead. It's only happened once so far. Bolt guns don't exactly have those problems.
I've taken my childun a-shooting many of times and even though my 13 y/o is an 'expert' and he is still a 13 y/o, also known as a dumbass teenager. I am ruthless upon their stupidity. Let's see if he forgets again. Even though I let them loose with guns I am always looking and checking. I always love to bring up the diference to him between playing a sniper in Joint Ops on-line in the comfort of a leather chair in an airconditioned room at 75 degrees with a drink nearby and shooting in the real world. The world where it's 118 degrees and the hotter yet on the sandy and rocky ground where he lays to shoot prone (that is why I am an expert shooting off handed/standing-because it's f'ing hot in Yuma) with flies buzzing around with the setting sun in your eyes. But they do admiringly well. To include my 12 y/o daughter. She can hit that 200 M steel consistently.
And we shoot open range desert. I've seen greater stupidity at ranges, over bearing range nazi's who will only let kids shoot sitting on a bench. etc., etc. Open range allows me to really teach my kids to shoot. That and I can smack the shit out of them upon them doing something unsafe and stupid (hasn't happened in years-but I have yelled at them from time to time). Many may not like my style but I don't care and it works super fast. I've started to teach them shoot and scoot, IPSC/3 gun, and 'other' cool stuff that I can't do at a formal range.
Anyways, how many on XCR Forum are becoming 22 fairies like me. At around $300 to $500 a case of 5.56, I can get one to three .22 rifles, a lot of ammo, and have gas money to drive all over the place for those prices. Search on youtube and you'll see 22 rifles being used in 3-gun matches. We easily go through a bulk pack in less than 2 hours.
BTW I'll be getting 2 more 10/22's in the near future. Preferably older ones that do not have plastic trigger housings. But I'll stick with my CZ's. The kids can shoot the Rugers'.
I predict a huge trend going towards .22's in the days to come. I'm not impressed with the GSC's since they look airsoft quality at a stupid price with propetiary mags but I'd like to see more EBR type's coming out, preferably ones that take 10/22 mags. Same goes with .22 convesions. I don't like them either.
Tell us about your past and current experiences opinions with 22's and if you will be goin' 22 (as in .22 caliber and not stupid 22 inch rims).
550 rounds of bulk is just over $12 at Wallyworld. That's about $4 more than it was 18 months ago.
However having 5 kids to feed, 4 who are old enough to shoot, me having enough guns and ammo to equip them with real guns, I've come out of the closet and have gone full blown 22.
I will admit to having 4 .22 rifles, 5 now after having bought another 10/22 a few days ago for $199 new. I don't buy 22 pistols b/c I get .40 cal for free so why bother for now.
I have 2 CZ's 452. One is a Lux and the other a Scout/youth. We also have a Savage Cub that I smoothed out the trigger. And a Chipmunk for the 3 y/o.
We go out around sundown time when it drops to around 100 degrees. Unfortunately so do the flies. We shoot targets out to about 200 meters (yes the euro measurement shit) and targets as small as milk jug caps. Those are shot at around 50 meters. Only the Lux is scoped (Leopold VariX 3x9). My kids are now 13, 12, 10, and 3. My 13 and 12 y/o are good shooters. My 10 y/o is getting there. My 3 y/o just likes to pull the trigger but she will aim in. Not sure if she is really aiming but she has the idea. For now she only shoots Aguila Colibri rounds which are about as potent as an average BB gun.
More and more I find myself just doing the 22 thang.
Out of all the 22's I love the CZ Scout the best, seconded by the Lux version. I bought those when they where around $170 or so each. The CZ's are hands down the best 22's for the money.
The Savage is nice, specially with the peep sight. The trigger is crap when you consider that a 6 to 10 y/o will be shooting it. But it's nothing that about 45 minutes with a fine file and emory cloth can't fix.
The 10/22's is POS's as it comes from the factory. 22 aren't known to be reliable in semi or full auto. Some breaking in or tweaking is always required and 10/22's are the best when it comes to tweaking with just about everything under the sun available to them. I think Ruger just cranks them out of the factory not caring about the quality knowing this unless you shell out for that top of the line target 10/22. I like mine simple. I usually replace the hammer for improved trigger and the extractor so I can shoot the bulk crap ammo. With this one I'm getting the AR style Tech-Sights. That and about 10 Butler Creek steel lip mags and a loader.
My older kids prefer the 10/22 but I see them picking up the CZ's from time to time. The only issue with kids and 10/22's is that since 10/22's are known for FTE's and if you don't watch the lazy farts, they might leave one in the chamber because "They forgot" to check the chamber and brought it back behind the firing line. This usualy occurrs after a FTE and for some reason unexplainable to me, well fuck..you get the idead. It's only happened once so far. Bolt guns don't exactly have those problems.
I've taken my childun a-shooting many of times and even though my 13 y/o is an 'expert' and he is still a 13 y/o, also known as a dumbass teenager. I am ruthless upon their stupidity. Let's see if he forgets again. Even though I let them loose with guns I am always looking and checking. I always love to bring up the diference to him between playing a sniper in Joint Ops on-line in the comfort of a leather chair in an airconditioned room at 75 degrees with a drink nearby and shooting in the real world. The world where it's 118 degrees and the hotter yet on the sandy and rocky ground where he lays to shoot prone (that is why I am an expert shooting off handed/standing-because it's f'ing hot in Yuma) with flies buzzing around with the setting sun in your eyes. But they do admiringly well. To include my 12 y/o daughter. She can hit that 200 M steel consistently.
And we shoot open range desert. I've seen greater stupidity at ranges, over bearing range nazi's who will only let kids shoot sitting on a bench. etc., etc. Open range allows me to really teach my kids to shoot. That and I can smack the shit out of them upon them doing something unsafe and stupid (hasn't happened in years-but I have yelled at them from time to time). Many may not like my style but I don't care and it works super fast. I've started to teach them shoot and scoot, IPSC/3 gun, and 'other' cool stuff that I can't do at a formal range.
Anyways, how many on XCR Forum are becoming 22 fairies like me. At around $300 to $500 a case of 5.56, I can get one to three .22 rifles, a lot of ammo, and have gas money to drive all over the place for those prices. Search on youtube and you'll see 22 rifles being used in 3-gun matches. We easily go through a bulk pack in less than 2 hours.
BTW I'll be getting 2 more 10/22's in the near future. Preferably older ones that do not have plastic trigger housings. But I'll stick with my CZ's. The kids can shoot the Rugers'.
I predict a huge trend going towards .22's in the days to come. I'm not impressed with the GSC's since they look airsoft quality at a stupid price with propetiary mags but I'd like to see more EBR type's coming out, preferably ones that take 10/22 mags. Same goes with .22 convesions. I don't like them either.
Tell us about your past and current experiences opinions with 22's and if you will be goin' 22 (as in .22 caliber and not stupid 22 inch rims).