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http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/obamas-stimulus-bill-includes

There were a lot of reasons that Obama and Pelosi didnt want anyone reading the final draft on this Bill.
1100 pages ,and i believe they only had 8 hours to read it in the middle of the night before it went back for the vote that passed it.
Some Congressmen admit they didnt read it and didnt care , so Obama could have put anything he wanted into this Bill.
He did set aside Massive funds for ACORN , And his little personal Army of thugs.

I am waiting for a copy of what the ARRL is saying about provisions in this for the Fairness Doctrine.
It looks like they also have a way of Banning Short Wave radio Transmissions ,and as fair as receivers They are discussing eliminating more bands bringing it down to plain old AM Radio.
The BBC world net said ,there hasnt been a move like this sense Hitler.
England relied heavily on its use of Short Wave during to Battle for Britain.

Folks it isnt only our right to Bear and keep Arms under attack here ,its also your right to free speech.
Even the USSR didnt ban Short Wave , there were just none available and no one had any money.
I will post anything i hear on the radio forums , but we need to stick together on this .
Your right to own a gun for self protection is as sacred as your right to own a Radio to be informed.

Radio may well be your last line in the sand if any Government went Rouge .
The Internet would also fall in this category , The Fairness Doctrine has measures in it that would allow you to access only certian web sites approved by the Government.
 

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Is there a way we can confirm this? Maybe a .mil or .gov site? Taking away short wave, allowing search without warrant, registration of weapons...oh...if this is true...it's on :ninja:
 

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This is COMPLETE BOGUS BS. Read the NRA statement, and then go search the stimulus bill yourself for any fancy words like "gun, control, ban,...etc". The only thing in there about guns is the "gunrunner" legislation to stop guns from going over the border to mexico.

Crazies...

http://www.readthestimulus.org/

Go there and type in anything you want to find. Make sure to type in "gunrunner" to see the only legislation that events remotly ties in to guns.
 

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There is nothing on this in the bill or ARRL or QRZ.

The bill has 2 mentions of telecomms equipment, both for the same fund's for comms gear for DHS, specifically hand helds.

Ditto for ACORN, nothing there.

The only band issue for Amateurs are the current and looooong ongoing discussions about bandwidth allocation and digital comms with the FCC where the CW crew are getting continually pissy about "You're not a real ham unless you can fist 100wpm+"

Whoever told you this is rumourmongerimg at the same levels as the "HR45's in it" folks.

The "confusion" might be arising from a couple of years ago where DHS were looking at acquiring equipment to dampen cellphone and associated freq's in a couple of blocks radius for situations where they thought there might be an radio detonated IED planted.

Regarding "Fairness Doctrine" as you know it was abolished in 1987 becuae it was never enforceable.

If you're actually a ham you're also aware it NEVER applied to hams as we are NOT broadcasters and are explicitly prohibited by the terms of our licence from being broadcasters, we are point to point NOT multicast.

In addition it could NEVER have applied to internet web sites as once again it is NOT a broadcast medium.

Marrandy

Your searching for exact match, do a text match of GUN*, no secret squirrel, just poor search engine.
 

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Works both on the TXT and the PDF file, running Linux and Firefox etc
 

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They could be considered paranoid if the nra hadn't racked up an impressive history of anti-gun acts.

There are three sides to every 2nd Amendment issue:
There's the Constitutional side, the left-wing side, and the nra's side.
Any simbolance of similarity between the Constitutional side and the nra's side is...... coincidental.
 

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Tell you what. I will PERSONALLY pay anyone $1000 bucks paypal ASAP if they can find anything in the stimulus bill as passed into law. Or even better, I will give you my XCR inbound for FREE..LOL ;D ;D

Swear to god...the real one...not the messiah/president one
 

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I went into the bill myself (I prefer Thomas for searching legislation, it WORKS) and there's nothing "anti-gun" that I found. That was in the "public" version that was actually voted upon.

This has nothing to do with my comment about the nra being completely unworthy of respect as guardians of the Second Amendment.
 

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ditto.

I went to the whitehouse site, sucked down their public version of the final bill in five pieces and pulled it into Acrobat pro. Searched for "arm," "firearm" and "gun." Found the gunrunner stuff, a couple of instances of the word "begun," and a lot of references to the "Army," but nothing I could identify as gun control.

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I went into the bill myself (I prefer Thomas for searching legislation, it WORKS) and there's nothing "anti-gun" that I found. That was in the "public" version that was actually voted upon.

This has nothing to do with my comment about the nra being completely unworthy of respect as guardians of the Second Amendment.
What do you feel is wrong with the NRA? I'm just curious as it sounds like you had a bad experience in some way.
 

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What do you feel is wrong with the NRA? I'm just curious as it sounds like you had a bad experience in some way.
Oh, it's not just me.
Do a search on this site for NRA. You'll come up with plenty.

About how they attempted (several times in different ways) to prevent the Heller case from reaching the SCOTUS. They were also the ones who "pushed" (although they'll only admit to "endorse") the last "assault weapon ban", and a whole series of other anti-2nd Amendment measures.

Without the "bogeyman" of anti-firearms legislation, there's no purpose for the majority of donations to the NRA. Therefore they can't just let it be a done deal, they wrangle on both sides of the fence to keep the big dollars coming in.

How else could joaquin jackson (now a board member) get onto a TV program and explain that amirikan residents should be allowed only 10 round magazines?

The only reason they got into the NOLA battle was 'cause SAF did first, and they got a 'black eye' for not doing anything at all - so they joined the SAF in their (successful) legal battles.

Do some looking, you'll be pulling your membership just like I did.
SAF is a true pro-gun organization. GOA is VERY responsive. JPOA is progressive. All beat the nra for ethics.
 

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It is mentioned ,as the ground work for the fairness doctrine.
No the Bill didnt have anything ,but a lot of people read things different than you do.
Go to your search engine and type in ,Gun control in the stimulus bill , Registration sure means gun control to me !!
A lot of new programs were hidden under different language , look at the Fairness Doctrine and tell ME what that says.
And that goes back to Clinton ,No they didn't mention Gun or Bans your right.

But read the entire thing about Registrations and licensing ,then the medical part and it is very clear.
No Obama is just a swell guy and isnt sneaky as hell , OK i will Post a link ,but i though smart guys like you had already seen all of those.
Doubting other members in this fight isnt solving a damn thing.
Like im just going to jump up and say this on a .YEEEEE HAAAA whim.
In November i was saying things that now ARE TRUE ,do i get credit for that ?

Only on this one forum do i get done like this , WHO posted the Patriot site ?
WHO has been posting State Documents of Sovereignty ?
Who was it posted the Southern Congressional Congress ?
It sure wasn't you guys , if your not in this then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Who was it Posted way back in June to watch your 401Ks , and you continue to call me a tin foil Hat ?
I would rather have a Tin Foil Hat than a paper ass like some of you .

Oh sure Libtards Hacks , i print these Documents up in my basement , just for your sick self centered amusement.
HAY ,XCR Forum ,we purged all of our Liberals long ago , you seem to have collected them all.

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Oklahoma , one of the Big ,,Ts,,, Children / Satellites.
When these States speak you can bet Ma Ma is watching and behind it.
A Pole was put out by one of the other Forums on which state do you think will be the first to break ranks ?
Of Course everyone said Texas , No ,Texas would only exercise Her rights and Declare once more she is an Independent Republic / Nation and all Treaty's and Unions with Washington are now Null and Void.

Who do you guys think it would be ??
Im thinking Montana or Alabama.

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WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
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What do you feel is wrong with the NRA? I'm just curious as it sounds like you had a bad experience in some way.
Oh, it's not just me.
Do a search on this site for NRA. You'll come up with plenty.

About how they attempted (several times in different ways) to prevent the Heller case from reaching the SCOTUS. They were also the ones who "pushed" (although they'll only admit to "endorse") the last "assault weapon ban", and a whole series of other anti-2nd Amendment measures.

Without the "bogeyman" of anti-firearms legislation, there's no purpose for the majority of donations to the NRA. Therefore they can't just let it be a done deal, they wrangle on both sides of the fence to keep the big dollars coming in.

How else could joaquin jackson (now a board member) get onto a TV program and explain that amirikan residents should be allowed only 10 round magazines?

The only reason they got into the NOLA battle was 'cause SAF did first, and they got a 'black eye' for not doing anything at all - so they joined the SAF in their (successful) legal battles.

Do some looking, you'll be pulling your membership just like I did.
SAF is a true pro-gun organization. GOA is VERY responsive. JPOA is progressive. All beat the nra for ethics.
I would have to see some actual proof(not internet yapping) about the National Rifle Association pushing/endorsing the 96 crime bill or any other anti gun legislation. You can hate the NRA for what ever reasons you have but we(gun owners) would be in a sorry state of affairs if not for the NRA. I don't agree with everything they do either but they are THE only thing standing in the way of the gun grabbers and our guns. As far as ethics go, when the anti crowd starts giving a shit about ethics then I'll expect the NRA to do so too. Post some info on the SAF and GOA. If they look worthwhile I'll support them also.
 

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Can someone please translate what on earth Phalanx is saying please.
 

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He's saying that Oklahoma will be the first, first state to leave the union. LOL, which is cool since we are in the center of the US it might really screw up interstate commerce.

I think this is a hypothetical, something that could happen...
 

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Really, he is saying that instead of reading the gosh-damned stimulus document (or even searching through it), he insteads subscribes to whatever crazy blogger or gun-buddy tells him to think. Whatever...you are the reason most of our gun-rights are slowly eroding. It's the crazies in the hills with the moonshine talking crazy about "da gobernment" that make us normal gun-owners cringe.

Seriously - if everyone would stand the heck up straight, act NORMAL, and RATIONAL we could get something done. But instead, too many wacko's get singled out as the target or why we shouldn't have 30 rounds mags and full-auto....heck bubba scares me too!
 

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Actually, he is correct in some measures.

It does provide for "registration" of people's medical records by the government.

The concept being that there are rights to privacy, and this bill to be signed tomorrow surely intrudes on the 10th Amendment Rights under the Constitution.

The idea is that when we get 'national health care', the government will be in a position to do the same thing the HMOs currently do - inform your doctor that even though he's got the medical degree the bureaucrats don't agree so he's effectively over-ruled.

At that point, the people in the lowest return classes (the elderly for instance) will find out that they effectively have no 'national health care'.

People believe that starts now, with this bill.

I can't say they're wrong. It's a 'camel's nose under the tent' thing. But then again, I - like Jefferson - have been accused of guarding my liberties with great jealousy.

Jack - I don't expect you to take my word for anything. Do your own research, you'll find out I'm right.

Specifically, with regards to the '94 bill, notice that the nra did NOT exert any political influence in order to get the bill killed. They did, however, endorse the bill. Now look at the congressional records and see how close the bill was to dying. Then, to put the icing on the cake, check out who authorized wayne la P-U to endorse the bill on behalf of the nra.

There are a whole lot of other - well documented - cases just like this one. Particularly the Heller intrusions.

I don't ask you to believe me in any regard - I do ask you though to care enough about the matter to educate yourself sufficiently, so that you can come to a better informed conclusion rather than saying "they're good guys".

Besides, I never said that the nra was a bad organization, I just said that their current views are corrupted. Me personally, I REALLY miss Neal Knox! If there was another man like Neal (good luck on that) running the political division, I'd be making extreme donations. Again.

FWIW, the last person that really did what I'm recommending to you (look into the facts yourself) is a guy I know. Has a wife, no kids, no surviving family on either side. He put the nra in their will to receive a major part of their estate. After he looked into the matter on his own, he completely wrote out the nra from his will.

The facts are out there, if you care to find them.
 
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