[Pitbull Firearms]

The first picture is a patrol XCR package we put together for a customer which allows for close quarters with the fast sight and longer range shots with the Short Mag Burris. The second Package is an entry package for close quarters.

 

[TEXAS SOLFTAIL]

WHERE IS 3 PITBULL?

 

[Guest]

the first one dramatically fails the KISS test as being "too well hung" second one is fine except for the fore grip which is largely unnecessary wieght and just duplicates the mag well as a gripping point.

tactical has largely come to mean "hang a bunch of shit on your gun until the accesories cost more than the gun"

personally i think that nmost of the money spent on that stuff needs to go toward more training, as the average tactical gun owner has no idea how to properly use his STOCK weapon much less one hung with 2 or 3 sighting devices and a bipod. In general when we run training we find that the more training a person has the less crap they will put on thier gun. anymore when i see someone with a fully accesorized gun, i view it as a sign of immaturity (as it pertains to shooting skill). for the record an XCR does deserve optics, BUIS and rail covers in the least. A quick detach bipod might be a valuable part of ones kit and usable on other weapons systems such as your long range or DMR kit. grip pod is great gear and neatly fills that frontgrip fetish some seem to have, plus adds the actual utility of a bipod and only adds 7 oz. when its on the gun.

A good rule of thumb is this:
"if you have to pay someone else to accesorize your gun then you need to master it's basic capabilities first"

JMO
Jack the former gear queer.

 

[Mick Nartin]

IMO, I don't think either example is particularly "tricked out." The bipod is the only additional component on the first gun, so I'm not sure why it's much different than the first.

Personally, I think a bipod is one of the best upgrades to any rifle (especially one equipped with a magnified scope). Having that stable base in the prone position is great and it frees up the other hand to change mags and operate any controls while keeping the sights on target. Sure it adds weight, but there are many lightweight options on the market.

In addition, the vertical foregrip is really personal preference. I sometimes use a foregrip because, even with rail covers, those rails can get pretty hot (especially an AR). I'm sure some people just like the way it feels and shoot better using one.

The great thing about having standardized rails is being able to customize your rifle to your own liking. It's not really fair to say one person's gun is "wrong."

It's not what's on the rifle, but the person using it. No matter what the accessories, if they allow the shooter to get more out of their gun, who are we to judge them?

 

[Aussie Arms]

In my humble opinion, not every gun owner is the same, or has the same skills and/or uses for any type of firearm.

"........the average tactical gun owner has no idea how to properly use his STOCK weapon much less one hung with 2 or 3 sighting devices and a bipod."

What is an average tactical gun owner? Is it a person who owns a tactical weapon, or is it a person who uses a weapon for tactical purposes?

What does the average gun owner use their selection of firearm for?

Hunting? Shooting targets? Self Defense? Defense of others? or all of the above?

......"tactical has largely come to mean "hang a bunch of shit on your gun until the accesories cost more than the gun""

For the average Joe Citizen, he/she hopefully should never need to use his/her gun in a "tactical" situation. For the people who are employed to "Serve and Protect" the citizens of this country "tactical" situations happen nearly "EVERY" day, from the simple traffic stop through to the armed suspect holding up in a building with hostages. These are examples of "tactical" situations. With this in mind, I would suggest that Joe Citizen would expect the people who are paid to "Serve and Protect" them to have every piece of "shit" available to them to be able to do their job effectively, and stop people getting killed.


ANY person using or carrying ANY firearm should be trained in it's use before ever being able to handle such firearm. You can't substitute good training with experience.

....."anymore when i see someone with a fully accesorized gun, i view it as a sign of immaturity (as it pertains to shooting skill)"

When I see someone who is trained to "Serve and Protect" the members of our community, who has a fully accessorized gun, I see it as someone who is willing to put his or her life on the line, and who is ready for any situation that may present it's self. That being said, that same person should be fully trained to use that weapon and all the "shit" that is hanging off it.

Tactical weapons are not designed to be comfortable to carry, they are not designed to be light and easy to use, they are designed to do a job and to do that job effectively and efficiently with the minimal amount of collateral damage.

Why must we continually judge others by our own standards and call eachother names?

....."i view it as a sign of immaturity"

If someone wants to shell out thousands of dollars for equipment that they will never use, who cares??? Immature??? Maybe, but lets keep our opinions of PEOPLE to ourselves and not call them names!

"And that's all I've got to say about that".

 

[1redgmc]

Dear Jack,

I have read your replies carefully, and generally look at these things as no more than some guy trying to stir the pot, just so he can get a rise out of someone.

I am unclear on why you persist in tainting an otherwise outstanding forum. Your rude comments are neither welcome nor appreciated, and I would like to see you take your negativity and biased opinions elsewhere.

Yep - this is a free country, and you have a right to speak your mind, and share your opinions - but even your self-imposed 'jackass' tag is one that immediately puts one in defensive mode. Maybe that is your intent? If so, please take it elsewhere.

Aussie is obviously passionate about his interests, but he is also a friend of mine - and there is no one I'd rather have on my side in a conflict.

So what if people hang "sh*t" on their weapons? That is their choice, and their right. They are no different than the guy with the tricked out truck that has 44" tires and a 12" lift kit. It is an expression of one's self and no different than the clothes one chooses.

If you feel that you must treat people like chldren, go hang out at a playground.

If you feel that the various "attachments" that people buy are garbage - tell the manufacturers or go picket a store that sells them.

In the meantime, I see no further need to engage you in this pointless debate and encourage the other forum member to simply reply: "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... I can't hear you jackass..."

 

[i303]

And I'm here to help!!!

 

[gunner69]

Hey Pitbull, Both examples look great, where is #3 so I can vote? Gun's are like car's, even the same make and model, we all have our tastes. What is great for you may not stroke my fire. That don't make it right or wrong. Knock yourself out and enjoy your XCR. Gunner P.S. #2 looks a lot like mine...

 

[Pitbull Firearms]

Thanks for the reviews, the models posted are the models that we have built for our customers on their needs. I extremely aggree with Jack O Sal about having to many accessories, it turns into tacticool instead of tactical. The second package with the Short Mag scope with the fast fire sight on top was for a contractor who wanted a carbine that shot accurately at 100 yards and also have a fast acquisition shot at 25 yards without spending $900's on the Eotech 552A65 and the new 4X magnifier. I am going to post my personell XCR on here when I take the picture, sorry for the delay. I am the president of Pitbull Firearms Inc. and this feedback is wonderful for us, good and the bad, for making new packages for our customers, both law enforcement (contractor also) and shooters. With all of your help please give us a call and we are going to set up a discount for all of our friends at XCR Forum on your purchases. Also please let us know what we can add to our site, www.pitbullfirearms.com to make it easier and better for our customers. Send us an email or give us a call and we will set you up with a discount. Thanks for your help and keep shooting! Talk to you soon. Jeremy

 

[Guest]

All,
for the record i would never stop anyone form putting whatever they want on their guns, just try to educate and advise when and where such an accesory would be useful of a deterrent. If you want to hang all kinds of goodies then by all means do it, It aint really hurtin me or anyone else, but I still reserve the right to think you might be a moron ;D.

1redgmc,
Some folks dont get me and some do. I aint such a bad guy, but I will share my expereinces and mistakes from my past with you in the hope that you dont make them. I am quite frank as you can tell. Dont take my tone as rude or mean spirited as that is the farthest from my intention. In this world of politically correct NRA girly men it's hard to find someone who will call you an idiot yet still stand by you in your darkest hour. <-----that's me : Oh, Aussie and I are probably on the exact same page. From what I can tell we are saying the same thing :-\

love jacky :-*

p.s. pitbull, Im still waiting for that third pic as well!! also do you have a website?

 

[Pitbull Firearms]

Our Website is www.pitbullfirearms.com. Our third picture should be up tomorrow. I believe everyone in here has a great point. Some weapons are mission essential which require more accessories than others.

 

[Pitbull Firearms]

Please excuse some of the pictures are not coming up on the items that we just added, they will be up the first thing this week.

 

[Guest]

can you guys get the aimpoint micro yet? it offers some unique co witness opportunites whilst saving big time on weight and space

 

[Aussie Arms]

Jack,

Check this out: http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=149

Is this what you were looking for?

 

[Guest]

Thats the one. i saw one the other day and was reasonably impressed. wasnt sure what the price or mounting options were. I wish larue would show the low mount tho.
the one I saw was mounted on an Ultimak rail on an AK and you were able to use the irons right thru the aimpoint beautifully. might be the Ideal setup for an AK. the higher mount might be right for the XCR with BUIS tho. not sure. anyone have any insight on that?

 

[1redgmc]

1redgmc,
Some folks dont get me and some do. I aint such a bad guy, but I will share my expereinces and mistakes from my past with you in the hope that you dont make them. I am quite frank as you can tell. Dont take my tone as rude or mean spirited as that is the farthest from my intention. In this world of politically correct NRA girly men it's hard to find someone who will call you an idiot yet still stand by you in your darkest hour.

Thanks Jack. It's not whether some 'get' you or not. I don't think you are a bad guy, I just think you need to rethink your approach for responding to some of the threads. When you start off by flaming someone for their question - or calling them an idiot, it only goes downhill from there. Being frank (in your opinion), is simply being rude or obnoxious by most everyone elses standards. I too, am direct and to the point - but I also take peoples personal feelings into consideration. I won't belabor the forum with any more of our exchange, so I consider this a dead issue and will welcome your seasoned input (if you promise to simply set the volume on low).

For the record, I've been a gear queer at times, and I have spent lots of money on stuff I found didn't work or that I didn't really need. I share these experiences with others - but I don't force feed them. My excess crap ends up on eBay or Gunbroker - or I find someone else that has "gotta have it" and I sell it to them stating "I didn't much care for it, but you can give it a try!"

I appreciate the maturity and insight of everyone on this forum. I read way more than I post, and use the information to select things that I feel will work for me. Some do work for me... some don't... and the cycle continues... Thanks - 1redgmc

 

[Pitbull Firearms]

We do have these in two models. The micro H-1 is $521 and the Micro R-1 is $539. Please let us know if you can find them cheaper, we will beat all prices as long as they are not below dealer cost. Thanks and please let us know if you need any other price quotes, we will send them all. Thanks

 

[cavegeo]

second one is fine except for the fore grip which is largely unnecessary wieght and just duplicates the mag well as a gripping point.

Well in my opinion, using the magazine as a gripping point is just asking for trouble. I have seen many threads dealing with ammunition blowing up rifles and the magazine is always damaged.

If you were holding the rifle by the magazine there is a much greater likelihood of your hand being injured than when using a forward grip. So for me I prefer to use a forward grip or just the handguards rather than the magazine.

In addition, holding the magazine may cause a rifle to malfunction due to the pressure of the hand on the magazine. In a critical situation this would be unacceptable.

I do agree that many people are merely more interested in how “Tactical” there rifles appear than in whether the item is truly necessary from a functional standpoint.

 

[Aussie Arms]

Well said Cavegeo.

It won't be long now! ;D

 

[Guest]

yeah thats a good point there. I personally dont hold the gun by the magazine itself but rather by the mag well. it seems to be the most comfy for me and it doesnt present any of the problems you list. it also keeps my arms at a good contrlable angle. a foregrip might be more comfortable for some larger folks who knows. I have a grip pod, but it's never really seemed to feel right, so i just use it as a bipod.