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yes , i think we need the Paul Reveres of our day to make their rides and warn the people
A book on Paul Revere that I recommend is Paul Revere's Ride by David Hackett Fischer.

While history has been good about telling of his ride, that really wasn't his "long suit". Interestingly enough, although he is most known today for the ride, it seems he wasn't the only or even most prolific rider that evening.

What Paul Revere did that really was his MAJOR contribution, was as an ambassador. Back then, each area had a militia - and all the militias were individualized. Paul Revere worked hard to intertwine those militias by personally going to the different areas (LOTS of travelling back then) so that they would fight as a group.

THAT is what we need today, even more than a rider - we need organizers. People to get individuals together. Lone wolves die alone, but teams...... they illustrate the statement "four plus four equals thirty".

ETA: I downloaded the video last night, haven't watched it yet - it's waiting on me though!
 

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We have been divided but not yet conquered. In our favor our numbers are growing exponentially every day , if we continue in perpetuity our educational operation our numbers will continue to grow.
Numbers mean extremely little. Organization means everything.

Think about this: some of the best soldiers on the planet are group guys. They don't hang out in the middle of Big Green, they go into harms way in groups of 5 or so. But they're VERY well organized. VERY well practiced. Very motivated.

That small group can do as much or more damage than Big Green, just 'cause they're invisible because they're small. And well organized.

I'd rather have 1% of the population that was well organized and motivated than 50% that were "gun owners" - just 'cause the "gun owners" are neither organized nor as a whole motivated.
 

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I honestly wish that I could agree with you. Really I do.

But what you said yesterday was what I said months before the Branch Davidians were murdered.

Know what has changed since then? Simple: more socialists in this country. They're created every day, by a corrupt government. They start handing out money (which is part of their mandate in the Communist Manifesto) taken from others, which places the recipients in a form of bondage. Willing bondage.

There's no way to compete with a corrupt people and a corrupt government. I used to think there was, then I prayed that there was, now? Well, I don't think so.
 

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Yeah, I'm fully aware of the percentages needed.

The problem is, I don't think we HAVE those percentages.

Used to, but don't any more.

Think of all the people in the company where you work. How many are there, and do you have 3%? I know I sure the heck don't.

Or maybe you think you do...... At one point I thought I knew a lot of people that were "right". But then a tragedy happened, and I found out that all a modern militia is, is a quilting bee for men in camo (rifles optional).

The worst part of it is that every day that goes by, people that care and are willing get fewer and fewer.
 

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Jon, I wish it was that simple.
The thing is, over the years, I've found I have very little in common with "gun owners".

Very much in line with what DTOM posted, I knew a guy. He wanted to learn pistolcraft, so I got him into it. Complete with the reasons for doing so. After a while, he invested in a nice pistol, Hornady progressive reloading press, etc. He stocked up ammo, parts, mags, the whole shebang - and started moving into rifles.

About a year later, he sold the pistol and press. Last I knew, he bowls.

The legislation? That's ink on paper, nothing more. Same hot air as the militia bozos. While innocent civilians were being murdered by the government, those militia "gripy old ladies" did NOTHING. Well, except talk. There was a LOT of talk.

So when it comes to people, and everything is said and done, there's a LOT more said than done. People will stand and talk all day long........ as long as talking doesn't cost them personally. Action? Far too many people feel they have "too much to lose", so they won't stand up. As soon as things get bad - and I'm not talking about "lead in air bad", I'm just talking about "slight oppression" bad - you'll find that the 1.2 million "like minded liberty loving individuals" will all fit in a large college classroom.

And that they're not organized virtually at all.

At least that was my experience. Until proven different, I'll stand on my comments.
 

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one of the mistakes made here is i will ask again , i want someone to go to the national archives and show me the vote that took us into the American Revolution.
Jon, I'm not exactly a dummy on the Revolutionary War. I've recommended great books on the subject here, and done a couple of university courses on the Constitution (not Constitutional Law, but government courses on the history of the Constitution) just for giggles, after I left college "for good".

So who voted? 19,000 Minutemen, that's who. Turning out overnight, such that a certain Brit commanding officer (having retreated all night long, under continuous "rolling" fire) likened the mountains around them in the dawn light to an anthill that had been kicked over. 19,000 Minutemen is a LOT of force. A lot of WELL ORGANIZED force.

Do we have 19,000 Americans that would show today? I think so. But they're completely unorganized and spread geographically. If the same thing happened today, there wouldn't be nearly as much of an outpouring of support - remember the history of what had happened up until that point, and remember how fat, dumb, and contented (happy) modern amirikan residents are now.

And don't even begin to tell me about the Waco attrocities. The militia I was saying was nothing but a quilting bee for men in camoflage (rifles optional) was the North Texas Militia. The one I kept thinking would rise to the occasion, instead of put ink on paper and speak in protest. I doubt there's ANY way I'd ever associate with anyone like them........ I wasn't 9 at the time. I was an adult, with an M14 and gear loaded and ready, willing to go, waiting for the call-out. The call-out that never came. There wasn't a leader in that entire *&#!$% group, and innocent people died because of it.

Evil didn't triumph because good men did nothing, evil triumphed because a bunch of "sunny day patriots" had "too much to lose" by actually DOING something.

And I don't see any difference between them back then, and the VAST-VAST-VAST majority of "patriots" today. Talk, write, complain, bitch, moan, and over all *DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING*. After all, nothing ventured, nothing lost (in their minds).

And just for the record, the modern laws are all about keeping people like you and I unorganized. It can't get easier, it can only get harder - which will drive away even more "sunny day patriots", lessening the numbers and using up the valuable resources of the REAL men.

Best of luck......... I wish I had better news. Unfortunately, I think the Republic is all but lost, and was taken without a shot being fired.

Just like Nikita Kruschev said it would.
 

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you are apathetic and do not
As wrong as wrong comes.
I'm far from apathetic. Recognizing the facts doesn't make one apathetic, it's just a realization that more than likely - as Col. Travis told one of my ancestors - our futures lie with the statement "and to sell our lives as dearly as possible".

And just as likely, something great will come from that defeat. The birth, or rebirth, of a Nation. Of a Republic.

In the same way Travis wasn't "apathetic", neither am I. I just don't hold out some kind of hope that the domestic enemies of our Republic will see a small gathering of armed people and trip over themselves attempting to decide if wringing their hands or wetting their beds is the best course of action.
 

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Jon, my statements don't show "a lack of emotion". Besides, emotion isn't best defined as "what you say", it's "what you do".

If you had any idea about the time and money I invest (not past tense) in attempting to "wake up" amirikan residents, you certainly wouldn't attempt to say I lack emotion on the issue.

I think that perhaps you confuse detailed calculation and observation with a lack of passion - that's not the case. Someone without passion would look at this situation and say "most likely all is lost, I'll fiddle while Rome burns". That's the exact opposite of what I've said - and even more importantly, it's the exact opposite of what I *DO* (again, not past tense).

Talk is cheap, and people lie. People even lie to themselves - it's much more common than you think. Actions demonstrate character, and virtually never lie.

DTOM said that we don't really know what we'll do until we're in that situation. The reason I say what I do is because I've been IN that situation, and was thoroughly disgusted by the ACTIONS of the "patriots" around me. People who talked like you, but when it really mattered, did nothing.

I'm not saying what you will or won't do - obviously I can't know that. But in the same light, it's quite incorrect of you to tell me what I feel (based on how you interpret my comments) based on what I've LIVED.
 

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Badman, wasn’t ignoring you earlier, just had to get out the door… got a bit more time now. Your questions and comments were so insightful that I felt obligated to not respond at all until I could come up with a proper response respectful of the topic.

The plan you’re asking about requires getting people organized. That’s what I’ve said before, and will say again – and for that matter, what got me into this pie fight in the first place.

Fred, the Appleseed guy that writes in Shotgun News, has a nifty little statement he makes on organization (one I’m pretty sure you’ll hear if you show up to a shoot). He asks a purely hypothetical question, like “if a 747 full of jihadis touched down at the local airport, how many people could you call to come out and help?” or “who would show up to take care of the situation?”

Think about that for a moment…..

Let’s say you KNOW your town is going to be attacked by rampant zombies, jihadis, rogue federal agents, or whatever. You need to TAKE ACTION, and you need to do it NOW.

Most people give an answer of 5 or less – anyone that gives an answer of 20 or more is the EXTREME exception. So back in Colonial America, one could pull 19,000 Minutemen together in the span of literally a few hours, without the aide of telephones, cell phones, the internet, telegraphs, TV, radio, or anything short of “man on horseback” – and now in the “information age” we’ve got all the technology without the capacity. I have yet to hear of a twitter comment of “rallying with the troops for training”. The sad part is, the people that are claimed to be contacts that would show up…… the vast majority of them would claim “it’s someone else’s problem”, or “let the police take care of it”, or “that’s why I pay taxes for the upkeep of the military”, and of course my favorite is “but if I go, I might lose what I have”.

Have to take action. Except doing so alone will be essentially ineffective. Demoralizing for them, but essentially ineffective. Don’t get me wrong, I understand (and accept) the fact I may – and probably will – have to die in the following scuffle. But I’m going to make ‘em pay BIG, not just throw my life away in a ‘tit for tat’ action. Our side can’t afford to do that, we don’t have the numbers. Doing something effective means doing it as a team. And, of course, teams require organization to function as more than a collection of individuals.

Now comes the hard part – finding a team.

It has been my experience that you can’t find a team. You’ll have to build one yourself. It’s hard. My estimation is that in a group of people that believe as we do, you’ll get approximately 1 in every 3000 that are actually willing to DO. Almost all of the 3000 are willing to talk or write though. As if that actually meant anything.

So the real question is: “how do I figure out who is all hat and no Texan?” – that boils down to time involvement. Schedule an exercise, advertise it among your “hopefuls” with plenty of time before the event (to prevent scheduling conflicts as much as possible), and see who comes. That’s where I get my 1 in 3000 number.

Granted, everyone has problems making time to do things every once in a while – that’s just life. But if you schedule 5 events, and “guy A” doesn’t show to any of the 5, he’s nobody you can depend on. Let me make this clear: anyone that isn’t trustworthy to show up to train is – by definition – not someone you can trust to show up when things get real. If you can’t stake your life on them showing up to train, you certainly can’t stake your neck on them watching your six.

Or, as I learned, even those you THINK you can stake your neck on…… when things get real, most of them will find a reason to bug out too. The whole “I signed up to train, I didn’t sign up to fight” mentality. In their defense though, when things get real, people have a way of seeing things from a different perspective – the only people who know what they will do is the people who know what they HAVE done in the past. Since very few actually HAVE done……

Now why is it that I say the meeting to be involved in should be a training session? Because of two things:
1. Anyone with two firing neurons understands that skills are perishable, and teamwork requires skills. Perfect practice makes perfect, but throwing a bunch of people (with little to no training, or even that have individual training but no training as a team) together and saying “now go work well as a team” is ridiculous.
2. If you’re going to get together, might as well get something good out of it. A “bowling date” (or meeting of the militia, same thing) for a bunch of guys doesn’t quite cut it – and it doesn’t lend itself as well to learning about your compatriots.

Personally, I volunteer to instruct in marksmanship clinics. Once you see the same faces two or three times (especially in a row) then you know whom to approach about such things. Besides, during lunch breaks and such, people at these kinds of events tend to indicate what kind of character they’ve got. If they’re talking about hunting and wanting to prep for a better hunt, they’re of a different mindset than the guys talking about current governmental concerns and the history of our country. QED.

As an aside, I will mention this: I very much disagree with the SCOTUS decision in the Heller case. Yes, we – as citizens – have a God given Right to keep and bear arms. But we don’t have that Right as pertaining to self-defense. We have that Right as pertaining to our participation in the Militia (the proper, Constitutional militia, as defined in the United States Code of Federal Regulations) – and as such that Right envelops the right to self-defense. To restate, we get our right of self-defense THROUGH AND BY our right to defend the country from all enemies foreign and domestic. After all, a murderer / rapist / robber is a “domestic enemy”, right? By stating that the right is for self-defense, we’re confusing the situation, which will make accommodation later in life, for an unconstitutional “decree”. Like we’ve seen so many other times before. A good example would be the US versus Miller case, where the SCOTUS declared that the weapons specifically protected by the Constitution were those that would be of service to the militia (currently, specifically, the M16A2, M4, and M249 for example) while the batfe enforces the NFA legislation prohibiting exactly those same weapons without extreme taxation and “infringement”. The situation got confused, and we have what we see now. Heller is just another step along that ‘bad road’.

As to your question on preparedness, I also have gathered / lectured groups on that. The easy place to start is with categories – as the scope of the situation doesn’t adapt itself to this venue easily (and this post is already WAY too long).

The Minuteman category: Shoot, move, and communicate. All three are essential, especially communication. You can be a strong individual, and you’re no better than one man – or you can be the weakest member of a team that has good communication, and you’re still more effective than a strong individual.

To survive though, the easiest category definition is “remember the 5Gs”
1. Get right with God. This country was developed, won, and founded on His principles and with His direction. This is THE place to start in all things.
2. Ground. Think about your placement and capacities (depending on water from another source isn’t a good thing).
3. Guns. Of course this is a category, and envelops cleaning equipment, spare parts, etc, etc.
4. Groceries. Everyone needs to eat and drink. Rice and beans will keep you alive, but you’ve got to have a way of cooking ‘em – and living off of them too long will make you wonder about the worth of living. For people that say “I’ll hunt”, remember that you’ve got the same idea that EVERYONE does in your area – within the first month, all the game will be hunted out. Another thing to remember – if you’ve got food for just your family, you’ve just starved out the people that might make great allies. I don’t keep a years worth of food for my family, I keep 6 months worth of food for two families – and we’re still going from there.
5. Gold. This only applies AFTER every one of the other categories is COMPLETE. As well, this is a category, not a list – for most people in most applications, silver actually makes more sense.

And I will say this: don’t sweat the military. I’m talking about active duty now specifically. There might be more to be concerned about as pertaining to the National Guard and the Reserves, but not so much that I consider our military a threat worth discussing. They police their own rather well (more and more since the 80’s), and won’t tolerate much in the way of unconstitutional orders. There was a time I worried about such a thing, but those concerns have been addressed to – in my mind – a quite acceptable solution.

Ah well, enough of my “apathy” for now. I hope this gives people something to think about……

Remember though, the residents of Tejas didn’t have the organization or motivation to pull off a war of separation from Mexico either. Not until after the siege of the Alamo. In the same way, don’t expect to see organization or motivation in this country, until AFTER the powder keg is lit, and Patriots take action. Action that typically leaves them dead. There are actually several examples of this in our Revolutionary War history as well.
 

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Badman – think of things this way: You have a right to protect your nation - your family is part of the nation. You have a responsibility to protect your nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic – criminals are domestic (and more often now, foreign) enemies.

How do I get to that point from where you are (and I’ll add that where you are, I once was!)? Responsibility.

Everyone has read the writings of the Founding Fathers when it came to the Liberties and Responsibilities associated with them. People now want just the Liberty – you can keep the associated responsibilities to yourself, or pay someone to take them on for you.

As an example, I’ll use the First Amendment. What applies to the First, also applies to the Second!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

You have the Right to Freedom of Religion – but you have the responsibility to act morally for the sake of society. This is brought out over and over in the writings of the Founding Fathers! A good summation would be that of de Toqueville, when he said that America would remain great as long as her people remained great. Note, society (America) would remain great, not just you, from acting morally. Also, you’ve got the responsibility to protect the free practice of religion for those you disagree with! If you want to worship some intergalactic volcano, which spews spirits (and whoever the heck the character zenu is), more power to you. You’re a nut, but I’ll protect YOUR Right to worship as you please. To do otherwise, is to cut my own throat later on – the definition of responsibility! By protecting that right – no matter if I agree with it or not – I’m protecting the Right not of myself but of society.

You have the Right to Freedom of Speech – the same responsibility applies though! I had to sit my kiddo down and explain to him why – even though they’re scum – we had to protect the rights of Freedom of Speech and Peaceful Assembly for the k-k-k-klub. If the most obnoxious and odious among us is deprived of rights, then who will protect our Liberties when Freedom (reword that as sedition if you want) is considered odious? We protect the Free Speech rights of people doing their clothes shopping at the Sears White Sale, for the sake of society – not for the sake of ourselves or bigots. Of course, we also have to limit our Liberty ourselves, to prevent damage. Not using our speech unconsciably for example – yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. That doesn’t protect just us, it doesn’t protect just our families, it protects society.

I think at this point, you’re seeing that we have more responsibilities than Liberties – and that’s the way it should be! Without one, there can’t be the other.

I won’t go into the rest of the First Amendment, I think my point is made. Now apply that reasoning to the Second Amendment.

You’ve got the Right to Keep and Bear Arms – the associated Responsibility is what, to protect yourself? You’ve got a Responsibility to society. By claiming “me and mine, nobody else” (which is essentially what a “right to self-defense without the consideration of the Constitutional Militia” really is) then you have no responsibility to society in general. OK, maybe “don’t shoot the neighbors because they play Neil Diamond albums too loud on weeknights”, but certainly nothing more.

Nope. Look at the Second Amendment. It says no more about self-defense than it does hunting. There’s a reason. You have a duty to society, a responsibility. The fact that your responsibility ALSO covers your defense of your family is GREAT.

Note, I never said that we didn’t have a right to self-defense, because we DO have that right. But the Second Amendment isn’t about that. You hit the nail on the head about self-defense being a God-given right, a right which all humans have received from their creator – which is why it is “inalienable”, unable to be alienated (taken).

If you’re concerned about your coms being compromised, there are alternatives. They’re not as convenient as typing on a computer (although some are almost as convenient) but still much better than a horseback ride through the countryside. Infiltration is a completely different matter though, and one I’m not educated enough upon to be of service.

Fan: I recall listening to a story one of the history teachers was relating. I know I can get the names, I’ve got the book somewhere….. but I’ll give you the story all the same.

There was a man, when the shooting started at Lexington and Concord, who was in the militia. He had many children (four? six?) and a wife. Of course, back then, there weren’t “social programs” to take care of widows and orphans. Unfortunately, half of his children weren’t well – they were sick with a cough that back then commonly was fatal. He didn’t stay to nurse his children back to health, he didn’t stay to relocate his wife. Her journal recorded that as he was headed out the door, he stopped and turned to her, like he wanted to say something. But he didn’t. After a moment, all he told her was “take good care of the children”, and off he went. Her memoirs went on to say that at that time, she knew he’d never come home. Later that day, she found out that she was right. The reason we have the shreds of Liberty we do now, is only due to the men like him that put it all on the line.

For exactly the same reason you said. It seems you and I speak the same language! The way I look at it, if my kiddo has to grow up – or worse yet, raise his children – in an authoritarian, socialist “utopia”, then that is MY fault.

But the “march on DC” thing is exactly what got me into this pie-fight with Jon. That’s just not going to happen. At least not well. In the same way that the Texicans didn’t march up the Presidente, we won’t be marching on our “public servants”. Not successfully anyway.

But don’t be too hard on your wife, that’s the nature of mankind. Some of the saddest accounts I’ve read were by Jewish people in Germany before the nazi uprising (the night of glass). One man’s journal in particular contained the statement that he tried to move out of Berlin many times due to the increasing hostility towards them. He said his wife never would consent to such, as she didn’t want to leave the home they’d built. She traded a nice house for their lives – he traded peace in the household for their lives. It’s not just your wife……
 

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work [with your local c4l members] to elect Sincere Constitutional minded people in your district.
Great idea.

I started a website dedicated to the "get out the vote" and "informed voters" - and worked for the two organizations - while pushing Libertarian and Constitution Party candidates.......

About the time you were 10.

Another thing I do (my expense) is hand out little "pocket Constitutions" (which include the Declaration of Independence, Gettysburg address - just 'cause that was the way it came - and Ten Commandments) at shoots. Ask someone if they believe in the Constitution - they'll always say yes. Ask them the last time they read it...... normally you get a "back in highschool" or some such answer. Tell 'em as an American Citizen, the Constitution is their contract with government - hand it to 'em - and ask "do you think our government is keeping its end of the deal?"

There are plenty of places to get these pocket Constitutions, not all that expensive.

I guess that indicates a level of apathy too though, eh?
 

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Thank you for the kind comments guys! And I do recognize that they're more kind than earned :)

Here's another problem with getting organized - physical location.
Back when I lived in The Republic, there were lots of folks who wanted to get organized (as long as they could do it in a chair under the air conditioning, and rifles were optional) due to the large population centers in North Texas.

The problem, when you're not in a population center, is the lack of people of similar persuasion in your geographic area.

At one point, I decided to set up a course (carbine and pistol) designed to get a group of us squared away to fight as a group. That idea got nixed, 'cause one was from Missouri, one from Oregon, one from Wisconcin, one from Colorado, one from Texas, and of course me. The idea was nixed on the basis of it being silly to learn to fight as a team, then divide up and cover the continent. Why learn to fight as a group, if you won't have anyone from that group within a thousand miles if you do need to fight?

I'm convinced more and more that we should have done exactly that - learned to fight as a team, then headed to our respective homes. The thing is, with that advanced training, we could then "seed" our own groups and know how to train them. More importantly, we would have known what "correct" looked like, and been able to strive for duplication of it.

On the good side, I've found that the more rural the area, the more apt you are to find people that actually are team-able (I just made that word up, like it?) per capita. So instead of claiming 6000 trained and able men in a militia - two of whom will actually show up - you've got two people in your county that are trained and able, both of whom are willing to show up.

Get out there, find your people. Seed your group. Make connections!
But more importantly, find out who is all hat and little-to-no Texan, and who will cowboy up when asked to.

Remember, if you can't talk someone into an outing (at low to no cost, on a convenient weekend) three or four times a year, you certainly can't count on them to watch your six in bad times.

The more you talk about associated topics, the more you'll find like-minded people. I've been asked to join no less than three "groups" in the last 12 months. And I would have too, if there had been any realistic promise in them. Things like food storage, emergency preparedness, shooting (of course), amateur radio (believe it or not), and even medicine. Take a course at the local college or university in history - there's LOTS of contention and debate there ;D

Which brings me to the last item: relocation.

We, as amirikan residents, are allowed to travel with a relatively small amount of hassle and required paperwork. Odds are you won't have to deal with too much invasion of privacy or passage through checkpoints - at least for now. I would recommend that plans be made to do just that.

A. Have somewhere to go, where you can rendevous with others in your group. Family makes a GREAT group - there's little question about whether "uncle Jeff" is gonna leave your butt behind and run back home (to the rest of the family) when things get bad. And I know this might spark some debate (I promise, that's not my point in making this statement though) but I advocate keeping the group of the same - or at least very similar - religious beliefs. A household of people with mixed beliefs isn't a household of mixed religions - it's a household of no religion. And yes, I'm using a word I don't like - religion - just to transfer context, so please don't hold me to semantics.

B. Have somewhere ELSE to go. Yeah, double logistics suck, but it's a part of life. Ever wonder why I advocate having four sets of everything when my household contains just myself and my son? People are enslaved by possessions - if you have all your eggs in one basket, you're much more likely to do something STOOOPID and protect that basket when you really ought to be on your pre-planned bug-out route. My best friend has a NICE upper-end Citizen watch. It doesn't get field time. Instead, he uses a cheap Timex Ironman when in the field. If the strap gets broke, and the Timex falls off, he's not about to stick his neck out trying to retrieve it. Probably wouldn't think twice about leaving it where it fell and driving on. That's not the case with the Citizen, and dying for a watch is a DUMB thing. Don't let your possessions enslave you.

The thing is, if you've got people you know FOR A FACT you can bank on, then a plan to meet up with them at Rally Point X can be a better idea than trying to stick it out with people you "think" might be good where you're at now.

One of my forefathers came from Tennessee, to Texas, with Davy Crockett. I don't have any problem relocating 1500 miles from where I am now to somewhere I feel good about, with people that I know I can depend on. If that means that history repeats itself (major - although entirely expensive - loss at the Alamo, which motivated an entire population to arms and eventually won freedom from their oppressive government) then that's fine with me.

FWIW
 

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Sinker, I'm not in disagreement at all.

Except for one technicality:
The tribulations can't be starting, as the Rapture hasn't happened yet.
 

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Sean,
As a 'new guy' I did what I should have done - got ready for the call and waited. And waited, and waited. The call never came.

You know, I've often wondered what would have happened if I had stood up and made the call myself. But I was inexperienced (educated isn't the same as experienced), not in charge, and very few of 'em really knew who I was. Every time that attrocity comes up in conversation, I mentally kick myself for not standing up back then.

It very well could be that I would have been labelled (incorrectly) as an agent provocateur, but I should have stood up regardless. There are times I wonder if those poor souls died because I didn't take action. If I'd taken action alone? Well, I don't doubt that I would have died with them. But part of me questions if others would have gone too, if I'd put out the call.

If nothing else, it was a major learning exercise for me. I'll be much more hesitant to believe in the 'power' of the militia, but I'll be much quicker to stand up and say "follow me". The fact I waited for the call that never came - instead of making the call myself - is an embarassment and regret I'm living with, and will for the rest of my life. I don't say this as an excuse, or as something to 'justify' my inaction, but rather as an admission of guilt. Hopefully others will learn from my mistake, as I have, without having to go through it themselves.

On training, look for creds. Not just word of mouth, but what their creds really are. The group back then had people with viable creds, I don't think there's ever a great shortage of viable trainers. Granted, just 'cause someone is a SRT team leader doesn't make them a good instructor, but it does indicate the likelihood of them being a decent instructor. Experience counts. For many exercises, I don't see why a 22LR wouldn't work. Not to the exclusion of the centerfires, but as a tool to minimize costs.

Hope that answers the question......
 
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