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Ok My father-in-law and I were talking this weekend and I showed him the different kinds of magazines out there and the benefits of each.

I pull out a few 20rnd Pmags, a few 30rnd Pmags, Lancer L5, USGI, 30rnd C-Products. He asked my why I need so many magazines. I said the 20rnd mags are for the range. The 30rnd ones are SHTF mags.

He looked at me with those crazy father-in-law eyes and says "Son - if SHTF, and you need more than 30 rnds to defend yourself, you are in some deep SHIT and you better just put your head between your legs and kiss IT goodbye." Of course I just laugh it off and later I thought to myself; how many mags does one person really need per rifle?

So, because I value everyone's opinion so much on this forum ;), I am asking that question to all of you: How many 30 rnd magazines does one person need per rifle?
 

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I have enough mags to fill one plate carrier and all the pouches. That's 25 mags...and it's damn heavy. That's for SHTF and I need to go outdoors to scrounge some shit. I would like another 100 mags sitting in pelican cases ready to go.

But then again i need that much ammo...and it's expensive!
 

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100 + mags???? :eek: Even in war our soldiers don't carry that many. Most soldiers will never go through that many. But what ever floats your...

You're right about ammo. But the good news is that when the buying frenzy dies down, they won't be able to give ammo away and the prices should come back down. Unless of course we just keep buying it, in which case the prices will not fall. :duh:
 

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100 is a good number. You can always use spares or for trading later on down the road.
 

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Total, I got a case (75) of the Singapore mags.

With the others, I know I've got over 25 more - so 100+ isn't a bad idea.

But that's intended for the feeding of 5+ - the XCRs, and the sole AR I've got left.

As for me, I want 13 per weapon minimum, plus another 13 as a practice set. In general, that means 65 mags (four is my magic number on weapons) - but since everyone I know uses NATO (AR) mags, I went a bit heavier on them than I normally do.

FWIW, last week I ordered 65 of the CProducts 308 DPMS mags. They said they're 8 weeks out...... those are for the 4 XCR-Ms I intend to buy as soon as they're released.

A bigger question though would be how much ammo! I keep enough on hand to load all the mags twice, and try to keep enough components on hand to load ammo for two more "fills".
 

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100 + mags???? :eek: Even in war our soldiers don't carry that many. Most soldiers will never go through that many. But what ever floats your...

You're right about ammo. But the good news is that when the buying frenzy dies down, they won't be able to give ammo away and the prices should come back down. Unless of course we just keep buying it, in which case the prices will not fall. :duh:
Like I said - 100 isn't to CARRY, it's to have. I would carry 25. That's just shy of a case of 5.56...so about $280 at today's prices.

And no, the prices are not going down. I would bet my paycheck on that. The market has gotten a taste of higher prices, and will accordingly adjust. And I can't seem to recall the last time gun prices went DOWN. I would simply accept this as a "re-adjustment" of gun/ammo/part prices and expect them to continue upward (as usual) from here.
 

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Pricing always equals supply and demand. The supply is low and the demand is high right now. Eventually the supply will catch up to demand and then demand will decline and you will end up with surplus (guns/parts/ammo/etc). You are corre ct in stating that gun prices haven't gone down but steadily up. So did gasoline. Where is it now. If the demand is not there, prices drop as retailers and manufacturers must do somethign to sell off the stock. :2cents:

Business 101 my brother. 8)
 

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[/quote]Like I said - 100 isn't to CARRY, it's to have. I would carry 25. That's just shy of a case of 5.56...so about $280 at today's prices.
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How do you carry them?
 

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Pricing always equals supply and demand. The supply is low and the demand is high right now. Eventually the supply will catch up to demand and then demand will decline and you will end up with surplus (guns/parts/ammo/etc). You are corre ct in stating that gun prices haven't gone down but steadily up. So did gasoline. Where is it now. If the demand is not there, prices drop as retailers and manufacturers must do somethign to sell off the stock. :2cents:

Business 101 my brother. 8)
Ha - I have an MBA...and trust me...demand has outstripped supply well into the next 2-3 years of production capability.
I called DPMS at the factory - they are well into 2010 with backorders.
Del-tron also in the 2010 territory with rifles and uppers..
Brownells said they are 60,000 PMag on backorder...no, you didn't see it wrong. That's a 6 with FOUR zero's.
Y
es yes, school me on basic economics...but while you are waiting for prices to drop, I will already have my stuff.
By the time prices "drop", inflation and steady price increases will have caught up, and you will notice the drop. Trust me :)

And as far as "How" to carry 25 mags? Plate carrier vest...how else?
 

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Fear is amazing. Over 99% of home invasions had a rounds fired count of less than 3, yep THREE rounds fired. Doing HRT we rarely went into a second magazine.

Carrying 25 mags you'd move so slowly a guy with a musket could probably pop you. for storage and decades of use maybe, byt SHTF. there are guys in Iraq, when it was bad, only going on convoy escort with six mags. Real life dude, not hollywood.
 

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That is my point. When I was in the service, I didn't carry anywhere near 25 mags. That is just rediculas. If you have to hump that much just in ammo including everything else you are carrying, you will be considering dumping osme of that ammo very quickly. I carried 10 30rnd mags (3 mag pouches with 3 mags each and one in the M4. That is 300 rounds. 300 well placed rounds will do more damage than 750 rounds just sprayin' and prayin' (30*25=750) :eek:. With that many rounds on you weighing that much you will quickly just spray bullets down range just so you can unload that weight.
 

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Fear is amazing. Over 99% of home invasions had a rounds fired count of less than 3, yep THREE rounds fired. Doing HRT we rarely went into a second magazine.

Carrying 25 mags you'd move so slowly a guy with a musket could probably pop you. for storage and decades of use maybe, byt SHTF. there are guys in Iraq, when it was bad, only going on convoy escort with six mags. Real life dude, not hollywood.
+1 to that, and I agree with Pops. If you have to shoot more than 30 rounds you are pretty much screwed.

Average firefight is only 30 rounds, "average heavy firefight" and you are looking at 90 rounds. There is a reason why up until recently, even front line units only carried 6 mags (180 rounds), it is 2 times the amount in an average heavy firefight. Besides those 6 mags, you also have to carry your fair share to support the squad, either the 50 barrel (which is dam heavy), the 50 tripod, extra 60 rounds, or the Radio (which back then, the PRC77 was dam heavy).

Only reason I recommend 30 or more mags, is so you will have enough mags to last you a lifetime in case a ban were to come. My P229 only has 3 mags and +5000 between the 3, and all these mags still operate flawlessly.
 

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If the demand stays this high (and barring a ban of course... big "if") eventually the producers will increase their capacity to match. Otherwise they are leaving money on the table.

Its not like gasoline where the supply is eventually going to run out for good, and indeed, the price on that came down.
 

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Ha - I have an MBA...and trust me...demand has outstripped supply well into the next 2-3 years of production capability.
Maybe with some parts, this is true, but some stuff is still in stock or has reasonable wait times. Some magazine orders are only taking a few weeks to fill.

What is ahppeneing now is is panic buying, wait until Obama launches a ban and states that there will be no post ban transfers and assholes who bought excess planning on making a killing flood the market with stuff they are desparate to sell.

I love it when people think in a bubble, it's even more funny than SNL.
 

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Its not like gasoline where the supply is eventually going to run out for good, and indeed, the price on that came down.
Actually, magazine production depends on petroleum as much as anything else in society... so it kinda is like gasoline... in that without the gasoline supply, there is no magazine supply.
 

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Its not like gasoline where the supply is eventually going to run out for good, and indeed, the price on that came down.
Actually, magazine production depends on petroleum as much as anything else in society... so it kinda is like gasoline... in that without the gasoline supply, there is no magazine supply.
That would be true if all magazines were made only out of plastic, however, magazines can be made completely out of metal. No petroleum in metal. But yes you would be correct when it comes to Pmags and the like.
 

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At the end of the day - buy what you want, when you want.

If they ban them....we're ALL screwed, so i guess it really doesn't matter.

But i'll skip patrolling with 6 magazines...that comment is ridiculous. Been there, done that...carried a Ranger Rack with more ammo than I could carry and then some. Don't want to die for lack of shooting back. Good comment - this ISN'T hollywood, and when you pull the trigger the magazine is empty in couple seconds.

I'm not talking about scared punks holed up in a crack hole and 20 armed cops rush in and shot 3 shots....i'm talking end of the world scenarios and trying not to starve.

And if the end of the world doesn't happen? Well at least I have all the guns I wanted.......and plenty of mags to shoot with....if only I can find ammo somewhere
 
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