[firemancjack]

Hi everybody! Took the XCR out yesterday for the first time. Ran a total of 200 rds thru it.20 rds at a time then shoot something else till the XCR barrel cooled down.(doing a little XCR vs. Sig556 test of my own, but will share those un-scientific results when I'm done)I had 2 fte's on the first to shots than flawless till the last 60 rds or so. The trigger would not reset it self about 7 out of 10 shots. I would have to push it forward manually. There was a noticable "click" noise each time I pushed the trigger forward.I opened up the lower and recleaned the trigger assy with Hoppes and a small brush and then gun scrubber. I then oiled it back up with CLP. It still would have to be manually reset most shots.Am I doing something wrong or am I missing something to look for? The trigger felt gritty and would jar my finger the first hundred rds or so but was feeling smoother and less painful as time went on but then the resetting issue. Any ideas? I am positively pleased with the rifle other than this. I was shooting Federal 50 gr.h.p. and Ultramax 50gr h.p. I thought I will try some heavier higher quality ammo for accuracy once the break in period is done. Anyway if anyone has an idea of whats going on I appreciate the help. Thanks! (and thank you for this great forum)

 

[gunner69]

Hey Fireman, The folks ate Robinson will fix your problem with no sweat. Give them a call. When you get it back from them, send it to Bill Springfield for one of his trigger jobs. The trigger job makes for a sweet XCR. Good Luck. Gunner69

 

[i303]

firemancjack:

I'd give RA a call, but first try to recheck that trigger from the inside and out.  It sounds as if something got moved out of place instead of broke.  The normal culprit in AR's and AK is the trigger axis pin (the pin the trigger pivots on) which would be the pin directly above the trigger as seen fron the side of the lower receiver.  You should notice right off the bat if that was out of place seeing one end stick out of the lower and the other side sunk in.  The hammer spring is what holds it in place and you'll notice that as you look straight down into the lower and they'll be the two long spring ends along the inside lower wall pointing to the stock.  Might as well check that both are that way.  That click you hear/feel when you push the trigger foward is normal and it's the hammer being sprung back and engaged by the sear.

The second suspect would be the trigger spring.  The XCR's t springs look wound up pretty tight.  Nothing should be loose in there.  If you see a spring flopping around most likely it would be that one.  I rarely ever see springs just fail, or pins break or bend, but they do happen.  I usually see that something wasn't put in right, typically with these pins being retained by another spring and not getting right onto the groove and then pins get worked out when they get fired or being carried on duty, usually in a vehicle that makes alot of vibrations (tracked vehicles like a Bradley or M113, USBP vehicles bouncing off-road all day, etc.).

Maybe someone else who is less lazy than me will post a high quality pic of the inside and outside of a lower receiver and compare it to yours.  Or do the same to yours and someone should notice it.  Hopefully it is a simple fix (9 out of 10 times they are) and you can avoid having the hassle to send it back.  And let this not reflect on RA, or any other company, if something wasn't put in 100%.  I can only imagine some poor shmuck (not confuse w/chuck-lol) at RA putting lowers together all day long and ONE f-ing pin that the sring didn't quite get into the groove out of 100 or so lowers a day.  All guns, specifically semi and full autos, have all had issues like these.

Edited to add:

Seperate you lower from your upper.  Hold the hammer w/your thumb and pull the trigger and gently let the hammer spring up w/o slamming into the receiver.  At this point pull the trigger and the trigger should go back and spring foward w/o assistance.  If it just flopping around loose, something is up w/the trigger spring (broke or not engage right).  If it isn't loose but requires you to push it foward and feels like it's binding that's probably b/c it is.  Check the trigger axis pin to be sure it looks the same on both sides and check to see it something is lodged in between the trigger and trigger hole, such as a primer, a piece of brass, or other debris.  Look at it from under the receiver and use a flash light.  If the trigger checks out, look at the hammer and make sure it is not canted and the pin looks to be in place.  Doubtful that will affect the trigger as such. trigger parts require very litle lube and I recommend next to nothing b/c dust and dirt will collect on oil and grease right where you don't need it and can't get to it w/o a complete dissasembly of the trigger.

 

[tinman]

call chuck, he helped me with the same problem. you will probably just need to polish the burr off the edge of one small area in the trigger assembly. chuck knows his stuff.

 

[firemancjack]

Ok guys, I checked the trigger again.I seperated the lower and upper then checked the trigger operation. When I pull the trigger while holding the hammer so it doesn't slam forward, everything operates fairly smooth. Then when I recock the hammer manually the trigger resets by itself like it's supposed to. Everything looks tight and nothig feels like it's binding.The pins are centered in the lower and the springs seem to be ok. I have owned ARs for years so I'm not a complete idiot(just partially )I put the rifle back together and cycled it by hand with the charging handle numerous times and still the trigger has to be pushed forward over 50% of the time. I will talk to R.A. to see what I'm missing. I will call Bill S. also and set up an upgrade. I've heard nothing but good things about him on all the forums I frequent. Thanks to all for the help.

 

[TerraShrewsbury]

did you ever get the help you needed? If not, call us, and I can have you talk to alex himself.

 

[firemancjack]

did you ever get the help you needed? If not, call us, and I can have you talk to alex himself.

Terra,I did talk to Alex and he gave me a couple ideas AND gave me his cell#. Unfortunately I haven't had time to look at the rifle since. I'll check it out this week and get back to you nice folks.Thanks for wondering about me! 8)

 

[rockymtnomad]

I just purchased an XCR new and I am having the same problem with the trigger not re-setting. Has anyone come up with a solution? I have gone over the mechanism and everything seems in place but the problem continues. I have not contacted RA but hoping for an easy fix without shipping it in.

 

[firemancjack]

I ended up sending mine back in to R.A. Terra was very helpful and I got in back in about 10-12 days. No problem with C.S. at all. Thank you Terra and the gang! It resets fine when cycling by hand.Not sure what the problem was. Haven't got it out to shoot it yet. Ben so busy with work and a sick kid. Hopefully can get it outthis weekend and find out if it's fixed for sure. By the way, welcome to the forum rockymtnomad!

 

[rockymtnomad]

let us know when you get a chance to test the rifle, I think im going to send it in but may wait until after x-mas to avoid the frenzy of lost packages. thanks for the update

 

[TerraShrewsbury]

yes, by all means, give us a report when you take out it out.

 

[firemancjack]

Finally found time to get to the range today.(also it was 40 degrees!)Shot the XCR ,the 556 and a RRA carbine. Put another 200rds thru the XCR and about 300rds between the other two. The XCR was flawless. Turned the gas down to 2 after the first 50 rds. Not a glitch. Trigger is resetting fine and doesn't hurt the finger. Feeling a little smoother but will probley send it in to Mr. Springfield after coyote hunting has tapered off(aka motorcycle season). Shot some nice groups with all 3 guns. The XCR has a Leupold 1.5-5 illuminated circle dot on it and had a few 50 cent piece size 3 shot groups at 100yds. It was a fantastic day of shooting. I am liking the XCR more and more!

 

[ny32182]

Nice report... What kind of ammo were you using?

 

[firemancjack]

Nice report... What kind of ammo were you using?

Used some Fed 50gr HP but the best groups were Ultramax factory reloads with 55gr Nosler ballistic tips.