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Ultimate "Red Dawn Scenario" Caliber Conversion

It always seemed to me that it made sense to chamber a caliber swappable gun in the cartridge of the other world power most likely (however preposterously unlikely it is) to put troops on our shores. Battlefield pickup, right?

Well, China has a "decent sized" army, and it seems to me to be the only semi-antagonistic nation that could even propose to put boots on our soil. Granted, it would be difficult for them to do, but it just might not be impossible.

That aside, China's last few assault rifle designs have utilized a proprietary 5.8x42mm cartridge that they claim is superior to 5.56 and 5.45. I've thought of this before, but when I looked at the maximum loaded length for a cartridge in a STANAG magazine is around 2.25 inches. This cartridge is loaded to 2.3 inches. So I figured that was the end of that idea.

But I just noticed that magazines such as PRI's 6.8 allow for a max loaded length of 2.31 because of use of thinner steel and flatter welds. That's not much of a difference, but it would work right?

The next issue, obviously, is that as far as I know there is no manufacturer of 5.8x42 outside of China. While I'm sure that somebody could handle that, it'd still be expensive. That might be fine, however, since this would be the kind of conversion kit you stick in the safe or truck and hope to never need.

Ammo economics and scenario unlikelihood aside, would it be doable?
 

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Just kill one of them and take his/her rifle. Problem solved.
 

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Preposterous ? think again ,go look on your search engine and bring up MS13 and the fall of the American Empire.
Remember in that movie when the pilot said the entire Nicaraguan and Cuban Armys walked right into this Country ?
Look at Chavez , and the way Mexico is doing right now ,i hate to rain on anyones parade but they are already here.
The FBI told us the reason my cousin ,an old woman ,was murdered was because she couldn't pay the extortion money this gang wanted from whites living in their Hood.
LE did nothing , cant do anything ,and the biggest invasion ever seen of America is in full swing . And Bush worrys about Iraq ,yet does nothing to stop the same type enemy right here.
Flame on ,tell me i am full of it ,but it is coming soon to a theater near you.
 

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Preposterous ? think again ,go look on your search engine and bring up MS13 and the fall of the American Empire.
Remember in that movie when the pilot said the entire Nicaraguan and Cuban Armys walked right into this Country ?
Look at Chavez , and the way Mexico is doing right now ,i hate to rain on anyones parade but they are already here.
The FBI told us the reason my cousin ,an old woman ,was murdered was because she couldn't pay the extortion money this gang wanted from whites living in their Hood.
LE did nothing , cant do anything ,and the biggest invasion ever seen of America is in full swing . And Bush worrys about Iraq ,yet does nothing to stop the same type enemy right here.
Flame on ,tell me i am full of it ,but it is coming soon to a theater near you.
My boss's brother was shot and killed by two MS13 gang members over a road rage incident. He was in the passenger seat of the car. Truck mechanic and father of four getting a ride home from work shot and killed by a punk teenager because the homeys felt they had been cut off. After shooting him, they pulled into a local store and bought another box of .357 Sig ammo.
 

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Just kill one of them and take his/her rifle. Problem solved.
That seemed to work for Jennifer Grey. Red Dawn is one of my all time favorite movies.
 

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May as well, LE seems like they cant do a damn thing to stop it.
I don't care what you see or hear do not get on any witness stand and say anything you saw these gangs do.
They will hunt down your 10 year old daughter and leave her dead on your doorstep.
My cousins killers were 15 years old ,MS13 likes the Juvenal's because they cant be prosecuted like an adult can.
I read all the stuff on these gun forums about what if this Army or that Army ,the Army is here now , and it isn't anything like red dawn.
Come live here from a while then see if you think an Army hasn't infiltrated our soil.
 

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And your bleeding heart Liberal would say. "Their just here looking for a better life. And we should help them."
 

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I agree with Mickey. Why stock up on "potential" rifle/ammo when it has little use now. I am sure you have something to kill the bastard with to get his carry goodies. A couple of well placed shots may also get you his RPG too. Now where did I put that damn user manual????? Have a nice weekend shooting whatever blows up your skirt. :biggun:
 

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Preposterous ? think again ,go look on your search engine and bring up MS13 and the fall of the American Empire.
Remember in that movie when the pilot said the entire Nicaraguan and Cuban Armys walked right into this Country ?
Look at Chavez , and the way Mexico is doing right now ,i hate to rain on anyones parade but they are already here.
The FBI told us the reason my cousin ,an old woman ,was murdered was because she couldn't pay the extortion money this gang wanted from whites living in their Hood.
LE did nothing , cant do anything ,and the biggest invasion ever seen of America is in full swing . And Bush worrys about Iraq ,yet does nothing to stop the same type enemy right here.
Flame on ,tell me i am full of it ,but it is coming soon to a theater near you.

This sounds an awful lot like a story I just heard on the news... are you being sarcastic???
 

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Preposterous ? think again ,go look on your search engine and bring up MS13 and the fall of the American Empire.
Remember in that movie when the pilot said the entire Nicaraguan and Cuban Armys walked right into this Country ?
Look at Chavez , and the way Mexico is doing right now ,i hate to rain on anyones parade but they are already here.
The FBI told us the reason my cousin ,an old woman ,was murdered was because she couldn't pay the extortion money this gang wanted from whites living in their Hood.
LE did nothing , cant do anything ,and the biggest invasion ever seen of America is in full swing . And Bush worrys about Iraq ,yet does nothing to stop the same type enemy right here.







Flame on ,tell me i am full of it ,but it is coming soon to a theater near you.
This sounds an awful lot like a story I just heard on the news... are you being sarcastic???
My boss's brother was shot and killed by two MS13 gang members over a road rage incident. He was in the passenger seat of the car. Truck mechanic and father of four getting a ride home from work shot and killed by a punk teenager because the homeys felt they had been cut off. After shooting him, they pulled into a local store and bought another box of .357 Sig ammo.
Rainley, if you're asking me if I'm being sarcastic, the answer is "no". True story.
http://www.nwanews.com/bcdr/News/63473/

Edit: If we do get invaded, I hope the enemy shoots 6.5 Grendel. I will be prepared for that. :)
 

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The Squirrel & The Grasshopper. (REST OF THE WORLD VERSION)
The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he’s a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter the squirrel is warm and well fed.
The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
THE END

The Squirrel & The Grasshopper. (THE BRITISH LIBERAL VERSION)

The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he’s a fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter the squirrel is warm and well fed.
A social worker finds the shivering grasshopper, calls a press conference and demands to know why the squirrel should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate, like the grasshopper, are cold and starving.
The BBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper, with cuts to a video of the squirrel in his comfortable warm home with a table laden with food.
The British press informs people that they should be ashamed that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so, while others have plenty. The Labour Party, Greenpeace, Animal Rights and the Grasshopper Council of GB demonstrates in front of the squirrel’s house. The BBC, interrupting a cultural festival special live from Notting Hill with breaking news, broadcasts a multi cultural choir singing “We shall overcome”.
Ken Livingstone rants in an interview with Trevor McDonald that the squirrel has gotten rich off the backs of the grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the squirrel to make him pay his “fair share” and increases the charge for squirrels to enter Inner London.
In response to pressure from the media, the government drafts the Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of summer. The squirrel’s taxes are reassessed. He is taken to court and fined for failing to hire grasshoppers as builders for the work he was doing on his home and an additional fine for contempt when he told the court the grasshopper did not want to work. The grasshopper is provided with a council house, financial aid to furnish it and an account with a local taxi firm to ensure he can be socially mobile. The squirrel’s food is seized and re-distributed to the more needy members of society, in this case the grasshopper.
Without enough money to buy more food, to pay the fine and his newly imposed retroactive taxes, the squirrel has to downsize and start building a new home. The local authority takes over his old home and utilizes it as a temporary home for asylum seeking cats who had hijacked a plane to get to Britain as they had to share their own country of origin with mice. On arrival they tried to blow up the airport because of Britain’s apparent love for dogs. The cats had been arrested for the international offence of hijacking and attempted bombing but were immediately released because the police fed them pilchards instead of salmon whilst in custody. Initial moves to then return them to their own country were abandoned because it was feared they may face death by mice. The cats devise and start a scam to obtain money from people’s credit cards.
A Panorama special shows the grasshopper finishing up the last of the squirrel’s food, though Spring is still months away, while the council house he is in crumbles around him because he hasn’t bothered to maintain the house. He is shown to be taking drugs. Inadequate government funding is blamed for the grasshoppers “illness”.
The cats seek recompense in the British courts for their treatment since their arrival in the UK.
The grasshopper gets arrested for stabbing an old dog during a burglary to get money for his drugs habit. He is imprisoned but released immediately because he has been in custody for a few weeks. He is placed in the supervisory care of the probation service to monitor him. Within a few weeks he has killed a guinea pig in a botched robbery.
A commission of enquiry that will eventually cost 10,000,000 pounds and state the obvious is set up.
Additional money is put into funding a drug rehabilitation scheme for grasshoppers and legal aid for lawyers representing asylum seekers is increased. The asylum seeking cats are praised by the government for enriching Britain’s multicultural diversity and dogs are criticized by the government for failing to befriend the cats.
The grasshopper dies of a drug overdose. The usual sections of press blame it on the failings of the government to address the root causes of despair arising from social inequity and his traumatic experience in prison. They call for the resignation of a minister.
The cats are paid a million pounds each because their rights were infringed when the government failed to inform them there were mice in the UK.
The squirrel, the dogs and the victims of the hijacking, the bombing, the burglaries and robberies, have to pay an additional percentage on their credit cards to cover losses, their taxes are increased to pay for law and order and they are told that they will have to work beyond 65 because of a shortfall in government funds.
THE END
 

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Mickey, Sometimes you scare me....
 

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"WOLVERINES!"

 

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Sorry GR8, my quote got all screwed up there...

I was just wondering because it sounded so familiar, I was watching the news the other day and this lady was on the news all distraught. Her husband both her sons where gunned down because of some illeagle with road rage. She was very upset with the mayor I think this was in San Fransico...
 

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A cynical mate of mine put it together. He like I are somewhat to the right of Atilla the Hun in our politics. We also both left the UK because we got pissed off the the way the country was heading.
 

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OK check out this scenario.Iran keeps enriching uranium.Israel doesn't want to run the risk of having a nuclear "Insane" neighbor and decides to destroy Iran's nuclear program.Iran being the third largest producer of oil decides to war with Israel.This drives the price of oil to over 250 to 300 dollars per gallon.Global depression ensues.China and Russia,possibly along with North Korea all still primarily communist ,decide to join up and invade the United States to "Borrow" our oil,and coal reserves.Can you say WWIII ?
However unlikely you may think it is,it could happen.The price of crude drives the world economy,and anything that interferes with that fragile balance could potentially cause major trouble for damn near every living thing on this planet.
To answer the question,Bottom line.Store as much nonperishable food and ammunition as you can afford.The obvious calibers 5.56,7.62x51,7.62x39,45acp,9mm,and a shitload of 22 long rifle.Ammo is never a bad investment and you can eat the food,so if the feces never hits the rotating oscillator,you've lost nothing.Just my two hundreths of a dollar.



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The best investments are guns, ammo, booze and smokes. You can never have too much guns ammo or bartering items.
 
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