UPDATED! Problems - Got my XCR 18.6" barrel with folding/collapsing stock today.

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Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · Sep 15, 2007

UPDATED! Problems - Got my XCR 18.6" barrel with folding/collapsing stock today.

Looks nice, can't wait to go shoot it.

Now I need another scope.

And, the wait for the 7.62x39 conversion officially begins.

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ny32182

· #2 · Sep 15, 2007

Re: Got my XCR 18.6" barrel with folding/collapsing stock today. Whoo Hoo!

Nice!

I think I will be in for a 7.62x39 conversion as well. Maybe 6.8 also.

I sold off my AKs, and meant to get another (still got mags and ammo left over), but never got around to it. One of the things that attracts me about the XCR is the multicaliber ability, even though it won't take AK mags, I won't mind that much. And it will be nice to have at least the ability to shoot the 6.8 without putting out the money for a whole different rifle for it, that probably wouldn't get used all that much anyway.

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 15, 2007

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UPDATE: Some pics attached.

Got it home and started to look it over and have three questions which may be problems:

1.) With the safety ON, I can pull the trigger and it moves a bit and makes a pretty loud clicking noise, but does not release the hammer from the sear. (i.e. the hammer doesn't drop, it is safe).

2.) The finish (anodizing) is coming off where the right side (ejection port side of the rifle) picitinny rail and the smooth part of the upper meet. It appears to be a defect in the machining and finishing on that rail right where the rail is machined into the smooth part of the upper meet. See picture with red line of where this is happening. The top rail and the left side (charging handle side of the rifle) picitinny rails don't have this problem. The anodizing is peeling off in a straight line approximately where I've drawn the red line. SEE TOP PIC BELOW.

3.) The upper and lower fit is pretty loose and also the upper isn't aligned very well with the lower. The upper sticks out on the left side (charging handle side of the rifle) by 7/10's of a millimeter and on right side (ejection port side of the rifle) the lower sticks up 5/10's of a millimeter. See pictures where I've drawn red boxes. SEE MIDDLE AND BOTTOM PICS BELOW.

I will try to get my own pictures to show these issues.

BR
Juicespeare

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Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #4 · Sep 15, 2007

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OK took some closeup pics.

These pics show the anodizing/finish peeling/flaking off the right side (ejection port side) picitinny rail.

Closeups show either bad machining or bad finishing or both. It's flaking/peeling off the entire length of the picitinny rail where the rail meets the smooth part of the upper. When I took off the rail covers, there were pieces of the finish coming off.

Where the finish is coming off on the right side picitinny rail, the machining is kind of stepped, not a smooth transition like the top picitinny rail or the left side picitinny rail. This is probably the reason for the finish coming off.

This leaves a line of bright silver almost the entire length of the right side picitinny rail where it transitions to the smooth part of the upper.

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Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #5 · Sep 15, 2007

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These pics have comments and show the bad fit of the upper and lower on the left side (charging handle side) of the rifle.

The left side is pretty bad, the right side isn't really as bad, see below, but combined it shows the upper is definitely not fit or aligned properly to the lower, the whole upper is canted the the left compared to the lower. The left side of the upper sticks up compared to the lower and on the right side, the lower sticks out. Hard for me to explain, but the upper to lower fit is canted.

Also the fit is really very loose between the upper and lower, rattles a lot. My DPMS and RRA rifles have a much tighter fit between the uppers/lowers. Needless to say I'm a bit disappointed, especially since previous posts and reviews on Arfcom and other places stated the fit and finish of the Robarm XCR is very good.

I stated "gap" in the lower pic, but it isn't really a gap but I don't really know a better word to describe the upper sticking up compared to the lower.

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Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 15, 2007

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Now the fit between the upper and lower on the right side (ejection port side) of the rifle.

Not as bad as the left side. But this time the lower is higher than the upper.

The pics above and this pic kind of show the whole upper is canted compared to the lower. When holding the rifle in a shooting position, the upper is canted to the left compared to the lower.

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Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #7 · Sep 15, 2007

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I'll definitely be contacting Robarm Monday about this.

Oh, also to add insult to injury, so to speak. The supplied factory mag was dented by the barrel when I received it from my dealer. It appears the rifle must have moved during shipping and dented the magazine body. It was dented enough that it wouldn't allow loading of the last 10 rounds or so. The follower couldn't move past the dent.

My dealer traded a good 30-round Bushmaster magazine for it and was going to return the mag to Robarm. But, since I'll be sending the rifle back to Robarm once I get an RMA, I'll get the original factory mag back from my dealer and let the folks at Robarm handle this as well.

Drats, I really expected more, but this kind of stuff happens I guess.

I had heard the fit and finish was superb on the XCR, but not on mine. ???

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #8 · Sep 15, 2007

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What's the deal, my pics only show up when I login?

Kainam

· #9 · Sep 15, 2007

Re: UPDATED! Problems - Got my XCR 18.6" barrel with folding/collapsing stock today.

Thats strange, wonder what would have caused it to get tweaked like that. How was the shipping box? Any signs of abuse during shipping?

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #10 · Sep 15, 2007

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Nope box was fine, the plastic case the rifle came in was fine.

No impact damage at all.

BTW - do you see the pics I posted?

I can only see them if I login.

Kainam

· #11 · Sep 15, 2007

Re: UPDATED! Problems - Got my XCR 18.6" barrel with folding/collapsing stock today.

Yeah, I see the pictures ok.... but you were logged in when I looked at them.

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #12 · Sep 15, 2007

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I'll logout now.

Hopefully folks can still see the pics when I'm logged out.

BR
Juicespeare1

variablebinary

· #13 · Sep 15, 2007

Re: UPDATED! Problems - Got my XCR 18.6" barrel with folding/collapsing stock today.

Mine sticks out a tiny bit, but then none of my AR15's are 100% flush either. They arent handfitted. Personally I dont see anything wrong with your gun.

Come back and tell me what your XCR looks like after a couple carbine classes.

Sloan441

· #14 · Sep 15, 2007

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Actually, the gun looks OK to me. Upper and lower fit on ARs is pretty loose as well. My own XCR isn't exactly flush, but like I said, on these sorts of guns that's pretty much the way it is. These things aren't Perazzi shotguns, after all.

As for anodizing wear, well, get used to it. It wears if you use the gun alot. You should see my well-used AUG with it's black paint job. After 16 years of use, it's not what you'd call factory fresh--and it wasn't that great from the factory.

The important thing with these sorts of gun is that they shoot well and work every time. If you've got that covered, the rest isn't important.

ny32182

· #15 · Sep 15, 2007

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I've got to admit I would be a bit let down as well if mine came like that, especially after the excellent fit/finish reports I have heard as well. I guess if the consensus was that it was normal, and Robarm looked at the pics and agreed, I would live with it if the function was 100%.

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #16 · Sep 15, 2007

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VB,

How much is a tiny bit? Mine is definitely sticking out on left side. The whole upper is canted to the left side. This is much more than just catching a fingernail on it.

variablebinary said:
Mine sticks out a tiny bit, but then none of my AR15's are 100% flush either. They arent handfitted. Personally I dont see anything wrong with your gun.

Come back and tell me what your XCR looks like after a couple carbine classes.

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #17 · Sep 15, 2007

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Sloan,

Anodizing wear I can understand and accept as long as I'm the one doing the wearing, but the finish flaking/peeling off on a brand new rifle with no range time on it, no items being put on and taken off the rail is unacceptable. I only removed the rail covers once and haven't put them back on.

Also, the machining isn't right on the base of this rail, that's probably the reason for the finish coming off. There's a stair step type of cut where the base of the picitinny rail meets the smooth part of the upper. The other two rails are machined fine at this transition point (nice radiused transition), this one isn't, instead it is stair stepped in a couple of 90 degree cuts.

Sloan441 said:
Actually, the gun looks OK to me. Upper and lower fit on ARs is pretty loose as well. My own XCR isn't exactly flush, but like I said, on these sorts of guns that's pretty much the way it is. These things aren't Perazzi shotguns, after all.

As for anodizing wear, well, get used to it. It wears if you use the gun alot. You should see my well-used AUG with it's black paint job. After 16 years of use, it's not what you'd call factory fresh--and it wasn't that great from the factory.

The important thing with these sorts of gun is that they shoot well and work every time. If you've got that covered, the rest isn't important.

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #18 · Sep 15, 2007

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ny,

Yeah, I expected more from all the glowing reports about fit and finish. This thing is fit and finished much worse than any other rifle I have. That includes my RRA AR's and DPMS LR-308's. My RRA AR upper/lower fit is very tight and finish is quite good. The DPMS LR-308's range from very tight to tight in upper/lower fit and the finish is again quite good.

This XCR I expected at least equal quality to my other rifles.

This is the only rifle I've purchased this year due to funds, had looked at several different models and finally decided on this one. Waited 6 weeks or so for it.

ny32182 said:
I've got to admit I would be a bit let down as well if mine came like that, especially after the excellent fit/finish reports I have heard as well. I guess if the consensus was that it was normal, and Robarm looked at the pics and agreed, I would live with it if the function was 100%.

Juicespeare1

Discussion Starter · #19 · Sep 15, 2007

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So what is the deal with pics.

I don't see them, or even image placeholders, unless I login.

Is this normal?

I've seen other posts where I don't have to be logged in to see the pics.

Do I need to attach the pics inline?

BR
Juicespeare1

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Kainam

· #20 · Sep 15, 2007

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Yeah, thats normal for this forum. I logged out to check, and the pics werent viewable until I logged back in.

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