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RA tried to get the XCR into the SCAR competition right, but was disqualified because of like a blank adapter or something? What do you think would have happened if the XCR had won....
 

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RA tried to get the XCR into the SCAR competition right, but was disqualified because of like a blank adapter or something? What do you think would have happened if the XCR had won....
Robarms had the SCAR contract in the bag. It's a real shame, and a blow to the entire American arms industry that the SCAR contract wasnt kept here in the USA all because of a technicality.

Had the XCR won...

1: Robarms would be huge overnight
2: We wouldnt have many XCR's on the street for civilian use
3: SCAR would be deployed isnt of bogged down in testing like the FNSCAR is.
 

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If RA had won the competition they'd have been faced with massive funding and infrastructure needs and probably been forced to partner with a larger manufacturer who could meet the demands of production and had access to the funding necessary to tool up for large scale manufacturing. So it's entirely likely that you'd have seen Colt or Bushy jump on that bandwagon, perhaps even FN or HK who already have large scale facilities that could be expanded fairly easily.

Oh, yeah.....one more thing....If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumps.....probably. ;)
 

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I don't think RA would have won per se. It's too small and the infrastructure costs would be overwhelming. If RA entered in partnership with Colt or someone else then maybe.
 

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Reminds me of how the Jeep design competition was won by Willys Overland, but Ford was awarded production contracts of Willys design.
 

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I don't think RA would have won per se. It's too small and the infrastructure costs would be overwhelming. If RA entered in partnership with Colt or someone else then maybe.
I'd be more inclined to believe that if it were not for RAV02/SPR-V, where SOCOM chose Robinson over KAC, and LMT, both of which are clearly organizations with deeper pockets. It clearly illustrates that smaller firms are awarded contracts

USSOCOM receives Defense Emergency Response Fund (DERF) money to initiate development of the SPR-V. The goal is a complete weapon that uses existing AK-47 magazines and 7.62x39mm ammunition while retaining the handling characteristics of the M4A1 and compatibility with SOPMOD components. Earlier SPR-V experiments were centered only on a drop-on 7.62x39mm upper receiver for the M4A1; however, reliable 7.62x39mm magazines were not available for a standard M4A1 magwell. KAC, LMT, and Robinson Armament are among the companies asked to participate.

USSOCOM, via NSWC-Crane, makes contract awards for the SPR-V. Out of four proposal received, contracts worth up to $700,000 each are known to be awarded to ZDF Import/Export, Inc. (Robinson Armament) and KAC. The first delivery orders are worth $150,000 and $300,000 respectively. Twelve SPR-V are acquired for RDT&E. KAC submits six SR-47, while Robinson Armament submits the RAV02. According to one source, the RAV02 was more popular with the operators during testing. LMT's entry was reportedly never completed. (According to USSOCOM's FY 2003 Budget Document, 476 SPR-V and sound suppressors were acquired during FY 2002.)



"UNITED STATES SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND
FISCAL YEAR 2003
BUDGET ESTIMATES
FEBRUARY 2002
PROCUREMENT, DEFENSE-WIDE
DERF JUSTIFICATION (1.612): Procured weapons to be mounted on desert patrol vehicles to give the vehicles an offensive and defensive
capability. Procured approximately 476 SPR-V weapons with suppressors that use existing Kalashnikov magazines and Soviet Bloc 7.62x3.9MM ammunition while retaining the characteristics of the M4A1 and remaining compatible with SOPMOD accessory kit components."

Obviously, we all know SPR-V didnt go beyond 2003, and the concept was later repackaged as SCAR, which is for the most part the brainchild of Alex. M96+RAV02= 75% of what we call the XCR in terms of features. SOCOM didn’t pull the spec out of thin air, and FN doesn’t have the brain power to think it up on their own.

Robarms had the contract locked down before testing began. In reading notes from the meeting minutes prior to 5th, Nov. 2004 (when the SCAR contract was awarded), that is obvious. They ask for samples to meet a criteria, but when the criteria is written with a specific weapon in mind, you have almost a 100% chance of getting the deal no matter how good your gun is. A missing BFA undid all that.

FN is so ass backwards they can’t get SCAR to work now, after how many damn years, so the notion they had this great working product that was worthy of a SOCOM contract 4 years ago is a joke played on the tax payer. Ask Brett, Weapons Development and Training Integration Senior Manager, what NAVSPECWAR said recently during harsh weather testing. It wasn’t exactly a glowing endorsement. ]

Does anyone really think this thing beat the XCR based upon the merit of the design. It doesn’t even have a mag release fence, and features a reciprocating charging handle in the worse location you can put it. Forget about using and placing whatever optics you like. I bet SOCOM loved that.



At any rate Robarm is a validated govt contractor and they were the same size as they are not for the most part when the contract was awarded.
 

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SOCOM numbers for the RAV02/SPR-v were small. Total repalcement of all rifles would be a much bigger deal.
 
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