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I really want to get a 7.62x39 kit for my XCR but I WILL NOT until C Products has fixed their overpriced/less than reliable 7.62x39 mags. I have plenty of AK mags that I can pull springs from to make them work but that means I have AK mags that I cannot use. Why should anyone have to "fix" brand new $30-$35 magazines? If I had bought some that did not work right, I would have returned/exchanged them.

Does anyone know if C Products is doing to retrofit new springs to their magazines AND/OR smooth out the insides of the magazines bodies? Have any of you or Terra let them know directly about the mag problems? As soon as I see positive reports with a new spring or fix provided by C Products, I feel I can buy a 7.62x39 conversion.

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This is not a NEW problem as far as designing a 7.62x39 mag for the AR/Robinson mag well. I own a VERY old COLT 7.62x39 barreled upper. It has NEVER functioned reliably with anything more than the shitty Colt Five Round (5rd ) mags. I though MAYBE the drastic curve with the cproducts mag might work. I do understand they do have to be "broken in" before use. Well why the hell can't cproducts set up an air operated upper and lower to "precondition" the mags? If they don't pass back to the reject pile, or melting pot or whatever they do with shit that doesn't work. :mad: ???
 

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Don't suppose you have any of C-Prod's mags, do you? I agree with you, that you should not have to fix a brand new mag that cost $30-$35. I would like to know if someone has but either a follower or spring from a AK mag into a C-Products mag to see is that will fix the problems? But that goes back to the min problem at hand.

The mag issue was one the reasons why I canceled my order. But this is mag issue was the main reason I started my poll. About XCR lowers that take AK mags. At times I think it might be easier and cheaper for Alex to design a new lower than C-Products to fix the mag issue. But this is not just a XCR problem, I know.

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1944.0.html
 

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I hope it's soon and the price comes down also.
 

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they are aware of the issue and the fix. Now we wait for them to do something about it. ha. ha.
Well...my fear is confirmed. I'll be waiting on my 7.62x39 conversion until they have it resolved. I'm not buying $35 "broken" mags. I'm happy to use my AK's for now and with Bolt Hold Open followers, they are close in function to AR style BHO mags, but they will always work.
 

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I'm happy to use my AK's for now and with Bolt Hold Open followers
They must be Yugoslav mags,they are the only AK mags I know of that hold the bolt open.Only problem is it slams shut when you remove them...ouch!! ;D
 

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it's funny, but I'm pretty sure that I predicted this very conversation not too long ago......

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1215.msg17297.html#msg17297

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1215.msg17232.html#msg17232
I have now come to see things the same as Jack-O. When the 7.62x39 was starting to come out. I said I would not buy one because it did not use AK mags. Then when I heard C-Products were making the mags I started to changed my mind about it. And when the 1st reports started coming out from fellow XCR owners I did change my mind and ordered one. But then the mag issue came up and my financial situation changed. So I canceled my order. For now I have put the 7.62x39 kit on hold. But now this 6x45mm or 6.5x45mm looks like the way to go. Or even the 6.8mm SPC.
 

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The magazine issue is what has me hesitant about the x39 kit,not to mention cost of magazines.I too am with Jack in that alot of people are going to blame the rifle and that sucks.This is an issue that needs quick resolution,I think it only fair that C-Products offer replacement springs to anyone with the old type once they've worked out the issue.
Just a side note,wouldn't it be sweet if Wolf would pick up the 6x45 so we could shoot it cheaply.Yea I know like that's going to happen.Damnit I know I need to reload,but I've got to much other stuff going on right now to get into setting up everything.
 

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I'm happy to use my AK's for now and with Bolt Hold Open followers
They must be Yugoslav mags,they are the only AK mags I know of that hold the bolt open.Only problem is it slams shut when you remove them...ouch!! ;D
Not quite, I am using U.S. made Yugo style BHO followers in Bulgarian waffle mags and they work great. I actually compete in 3 Gun locally using my Kreb's KTR-03S. Yes, the bolt goes forward when you remove the magazine but you can sense immediately when it has run dry and quickly reload, I think it works great. It's not AS good as the AR style BHO, but it works very well for me after I got my reloads much faster.

I'll take that system any day over finicky C Products mags that may or may not work.
 

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I posted before in other threads that I had trouble with the C-Product 7.62X39 mags. I also complained that these mags should work from the factory. However, after I disassembled the mags, lubed the inside, and in a couple of cases removed a plastic sprue from the follower, they have worked without issue in two carbine matches. They appear to be fixed and working fine. So with a little effort, now I have a functioning 7.62X30 XCR and I'm very happy. With ammo costs what they are, It's worth it for me. I'd still like C-Products to do their part.
 

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Hartzpad have you ever used this gizmo on any AK.This thing is great I put one on mine and it's the cat's ass.
 

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Just count your rounds or stick a tracer or incendiary 3-5 rounds from the end and change mags when you see it light up.
 

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I talked to C-Products over the phone and supposedly the new ones that came in just recently are better.

I have 4 total right now. Once my 7.62x39 XCR kit comes in I'll let you guys know how they work out.
 

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Hartzpad have you ever used this gizmo on any AK.This thing is great I put one on mine and it's the cat's ass.
Ya, I don't like them. It's nice that you can reach it with your trigger finger to release but mags still don't always drop free. I am a big believer in the knock out the spent mag with the fresh mag method. Fast, it works and no fine motor skills needed. Lock in the mag that's already in your hand and then reach under the gun with your support hand and charge the new round. Once you practice it with the BHO followers, it is just barely slower than an AR reload. Best part is your hand never leaves the grip and your grip never has to be adjusted. XCR is the best in that respect.
 

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I talked to C-Products over the phone and supposedly the new ones that came in just recently are better.

I have 4 total right now. Once my 7.62x39 XCR kit comes in I'll let you guys know how they work out.
OK, so how do you know if you are getting the "new ones that came in". If I order their mags now are they going to give me some of their old inventory or the new better stuff? Geez, this shouldn't be this much of a pain.
 

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I think I have some from the new batch... if by recent we mean the past month. I got mine right around Christmas. Anyway, they work after a break-in, but I'd still want to see a stronger spring and no break-in.
 

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I think that when you start checking around on ammo prices for either the 6.5 OR 6.8 you will probably consider that your first decision was correct, that is unless you don't want to shoot very ofter or much! When you guys think about it, $25.00 - $35.00 magazines are very much the normal these days! For ones that work, that is. Look at Glocks, S&W's, even my little Firestorm(Bersa) .380, the little mags. are $40.++. I just don't see what all of this fuss is about? Alex WILL get this straightened out. Give Robinson a chance! Over the years that I have been involved with weapons and firearms, there have been PLEANTY of problems. How would you liked to be with me and a bunch of other grunts with a darn M16 that jammed, stovepiped, broke and a lot MORE CRAP!~ Take it easy, this is not the end of the world!


it's funny, but I'm pretty sure that I predicted this very conversation not too long ago......

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1215.msg17297.html#msg17297

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1215.msg17232.html#msg17232
I have now come to see things the same as Jack-O. When the 7.62x39 was starting to come out. I said I would not buy one because it did not use AK mags. Then when I heard C-Products were making the mags I started to changed my mind about it. And when the 1st reports started coming out from fellow XCR owners I did change my mind and ordered one. But then the mag issue came up and my financial situation changed. So I canceled my order. For now I have put the 7.62x39 kit on hold. But now this 6x45mm or 6.5x45mm looks like the way to go. Or even the 6.8mm SPC
 

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Ya, I don't like them. It's nice that you can reach it with your trigger finger to release but mags still don't always drop free. I am a big believer in the knock out the spent mag with the fresh mag method. Fast, it works and no fine motor skills needed. Lock in the mag that's already in your hand and then reach under the gun with your support hand and charge the new round. Once you practice it with the BHO followers, it is just barely slower than an AR reload. Best part is your hand never leaves the grip and your grip never has to be adjusted. XCR is the best in that respect.
That's kool I just wanted to run it by you to see if you were aware of them.Whatever works best for you,but myself personally I find it much easier while I'm reaching for the reload mag to push that switch with my trigger finger,even if the spent magazine doesn't fall free,you just bump it with the new one and it's gone then insert the fresh one.I would think that's much faster than trying to release the old mag with the regular magazine release either before grabbing a new mag and especially while holding one.Even when the spent mag don't drop,I would think It faster to bump out the old with the new one,than to have to release the old then lock in the new mag.Just my :2cents:
 
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