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I am trying to remain optimistic....but as other people are pointing out, skepticism will likely soften the blow of what is really about to unfold.

Brings the Churchill quote to mind,
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
History cries out but we rarely listen.
Whether Churchill was a good all around statesman or not he was perfect for that time.
Sadly we don't have anyone like him.
 

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There is no getting off of this ship. It sure is starting to look like Revelations reads. John had absolutely no idea about what he was writing, yet here we are living it. The good part is we know how it ends. It should be an interesting ride.
 

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There is no getting off of this ship. It sure is starting to look like Revelations reads. John had absolutely no idea about what he was writing, yet here we are living it. The good part is we know how it ends. It should be an interesting ride.
And yet people have believed that Jesus' return was imminent since the last time he left. Not saying we shouldn't be "watchmen on the wall"....just temper it with the realization that history is replete with instances of empires falling and rising.
 
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There are far too many parents that look to the school to provide “parenting”! Makes it pretty easy to capture those minds when they hear these “gov will take care of you” messages for 12 (+) years with no pushback or difference of thought from home…in many cases because those parents experienced the same…:confused:
 

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Welp, looks like Kalifornistan is the 1st lost cause. But we knew that didn't we.
 
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Welp, looks like Kalifornistan is the 1st lost cause. But we knew that didn't we.
I think we'd have better luck winning the hearts and minds of Taliban in A-Stan than the Communists in Kalifornistan.
 

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Welp, looks like Kalifornistan is the 1st lost cause. But we knew that didn't we.

Canary in the mineshaft. My take away from the last few weeks, is that the government is on the cusp of openly being done with suggestion and even the illusion of choice.....this is something we'd all do well to go ahead and internalize. The board is set. Those who wish to enjoy the next few years should be figuring out how to grow their own food, raising their own meat (rabbits, goat, cattle) and source their own water. Collapse/inflation is going to hit hard for people who rely on the dollar, for those who have the above and a roof, it'll be life as usual.
 

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Canary in the mineshaft. My take away from the last few weeks, is that the government is on the cusp of openly being done with suggestion and even the illusion of choice.....this is something we'd all do well to go ahead and internalize. The board is set. Those who wish to enjoy the next few years should be figuring out how to grow their own food, raising their own meat (rabbits, goat, cattle) and source their own water. Collapse/inflation is going to hit hard for people who rely on the dollar, for those who have the above and a roof, it'll be life as usual.
I'm not a die-hard prepper but for the last fifteen years or so we have been doing our best to get our water and our food situation under control. With the emergence of covid last year we have really dumped a ton of money in the trying to expand are prepping, over the last year or so we've been acquiring silver knowing that the dollars days are numbered. Unfortunately I haven't been able to pull up stakes and get out into the country where I can get the cattle and enough room to grow my own food.

I'm not sure it's going to be life as normal, the government is still going to try to enforce their will upon these people and not to mention the hordes of the unprepared.
I think the government's going for broke this fall, covid was already overhyped and used as a control mechanism, Now farmers are being paid to destroy their crops or forfeit any more government assistance.
I always wondered how places like Cuba Venezuela descended in the socialism and communism now I got a front row seat
 

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I'm not a die-hard prepper but for the last fifteen years or so we have been doing our best to get our water and our food situation under control. With the emergence of covid last year we have really dumped a ton of money in the trying to expand are prepping, over the last year or so we've been acquiring silver knowing that the dollars days are numbered. Unfortunately I haven't been able to pull up stakes and get out into the country where I can get the cattle and enough room to grow my own food.
Your timing is spot on, good luck anyway.

I'm not sure it's going to be life as normal, the government is still going to try to enforce their will upon these people and not to mention the hordes of the unprepared.
I get this.


I think the government's going for broke this fall, covid was already overhyped and used as a control mechanism, Now farmers are being paid to destroy their crops or forfeit any more government assistance.
I always wondered how places like Cuba Venezuela descended in the socialism and communism now I got a front row seat
I'd not read about that, if that's happening it's quite a throw back to the great depression, when we saw a similar thing take place with both crops and livestock under the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933.....while people were starving.

I guess they figure "why wait?"
 

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I'd not read about that, if that's happening it's quite a throw back to the great depression, when we saw a similar thing take place with both crops and livestock under the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933.....while people were starving.

I guess they figure "why wait?"
Yeah, I can confirm this....the USG is threatening farmers with loss of subsidies if they don't destroy certain crops. Though, to be fair, they've done this on a regular basis to keep certain crop prices propped up.

Is that what's going on now? Maybe, but it sure seems INCREDIBLY wasteful and unsustainable to be destroying food when people are starving in other parts of the world and considering the environmental cost and impact of growing food in the first place.

Or, is this a page from Holodomor, where Stalin proved if you control the food, you control the people. I'm less and less inclined to buy into Halon's razor....as I've said a few times now. Too much evil to chalk it up to mere stupidity.
 

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Yeah, I can confirm this....the USG is threatening farmers with loss of subsidies if they don't destroy certain crops. Though, to be fair, they've done this on a regular basis to keep certain crop prices propped up.

Is that what's going on now? Maybe, but it sure seems INCREDIBLY wasteful and unsustainable to be destroying food when people are starving in other parts of the world and considering the environmental cost and impact of growing food in the first place.

Or, is this a page from Holodomor, where Stalin proved if you control the food, you control the people. I'm less and less inclined to buy into Halon's razor....as I've said a few times now. Too much evil to chalk it up to mere stupidity.
My belief is they intend to use food to control us, specifically to force vaccine compliance.
Take the depop shot or starve.
Many acres of crops weren't planted this year due to drought so why incentivize/threaten them to destroy crops?
Add to this supply chain disruption/breakdowns and this fall and winter is going to be hard and expensive.
 

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This is what’s going on Down Under with pushback to the lockdown tyrann…
Logical conclusion to the ramifications of Ozzie gun control; an unarmed populace that can't fight back.
 

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Honestly, I see this as a 'love it or leave it' kind of thing. If the USA is moving in the direction it appears to be, I can't see that any efforts of mine will even remotely impact it's trajectory. All I can do is find ways to keep my family safe. If that's inside the United States, I'm ok with that. If it's not, then that's what I'll have to do. When ballot voting fails, the next best option is foot voting. That's why people are flooding out of California and into places like Idaho. But that may not be far enough to escape the strong right arm of the nanny state.
 

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Yeah, I can confirm this....the USG is threatening farmers with loss of subsidies if they don't destroy certain crops. Though, to be fair, they've done this on a regular basis to keep certain crop prices propped up.

Is that what's going on now? Maybe, but it sure seems INCREDIBLY wasteful and unsustainable to be destroying food when people are starving in other parts of the world and considering the environmental cost and impact of growing food in the first place.

Or, is this a page from Holodomor, where Stalin proved if you control the food, you control the people. I'm less and less inclined to buy into Halon's razor....as I've said a few times now. Too much evil to chalk it up to mere stupidity.
Most people have never heard of the Holodomor let alone understand it’s ramifications if such thing were tried here. Especially those with the “government would never hurt me” mindset.


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Why Totalitarians Promote Hate
Barry Brownstein
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In Upstate New York, thirty Lewis County General Hospital health clinicians resigned rather than take the mandated Covid shot. Six of those who resigned worked in the maternity unit; the hospital shut down the maternity unit until new nurses who are vaccinated can be recruited.
Other essential services may be curtailed, as 73 percent of unvaccinated clinicians have yet to decide if they will quit rather than be vaccinated. Recruitment of new nurses will not be easy, since thousands of job openings for nurses in Upstate New York are unfilled.
Are these unvaccinated nurses and other healthcare professionals the “true enemy,” as one Democratic consultant called them? In the region served by the hospital, do families soon to experience the birth of a child feel safer now that some of their formerly trusted healthcare professionals have been purged? Are some of their patients wondering why these healthcare professionals would sacrifice their careers?
Illiberal mandates violate bodily autonomy and arguably worsen health outcomes. So, why are President Biden’s advisors pushing them? Do Biden and his advisors sincerely believe mandates will end the pandemic? If so, James Harrigan explains well the logical absurdity of mandates. Or are they consolidating power by exploiting human nature and borrowing a page from the totalitarian playbook to exacerbate tribal differences?
To understand the psychological roots of tribal fractures, let’s begin with a story not about vaccine mandates.
Larry David’s Contempt
Larry David and Alan Dershowitz were close friends for 25 years until Dershowitz became one of Trump’s impeachment lawyers. In August, Dershowitz was having a cup of coffee with friends on the porch of a Martha’s Vineyard general store. David arrived and started screaming at his former friend.
Dershowitz: “We can still talk, Larry.”
David: “No. No. We really can’t. I saw you. I saw you with your arm around [former Trump Secretary of State Mike] Pompeo! It’s disgusting!”
Dershowitz: “He’s my former student [at Harvard Law]. I greet all of my former students that way. I can’t greet my former students?”
David: “It’s disgusting. Your whole enclave — it’s disgusting. You’re disgusting!”
This was not a publicity stunt for the next season of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
If you have ever watched Curb, you know feelings of disgust run through many episodes. Larry is being called disgusting, or he is calling someone or something disgusting. In art, Larry never beats his tormentors.
Larry David is 74 years old, yet like many of us, he hasn’t learned not to toss his psychological trash on the side of the road. The overwhelming sense of disgust that Larry feels for Alan is in Larry’s mind. Angrily denouncing Alan won’t solve Larry’s problem. Larry can project the idea of disgust onto Alan, but the more he projects, the more he strengthens the idea of disgust in his mind. The more Larry projects, the more he wallows in his psychological trash.
Projection is our futile attempt to absolve ourselves of responsibility for our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors by denying what exists in us while finding the same qualities in other people. Dershowitz was merely a symbol for how David sees himself. In The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Stephen Covey wrote, “We see the world, not as it is, but as we are.”
Of course, Larry’s attempt to project is universal. What we block from our awareness, what we don’t acknowledge, we seek to hurl out. Projection never works; our psychological trash does not magically leave our mind when we demonize others. Larry may have felt a temporary catharsis, but he was losing, not gaining, psychological freedom. David’s psychological freedom comes from his decision to acknowledge his mind is the causative agent of his experience of reality.
Importantly, politicians will exploit the human weakness to project. Using propaganda, they aim to drum into our minds scapegoats onto whom to project what we do not want to acknowledge in ourselves. Individuals who are psychologically free will be less susceptible to totalitarian propaganda.
Totalitarian Movements
In The True Believer, social philosopher Eric Hoffer observed: “Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a God, but never without belief in a devil. Usually, the strength of a mass movement is proportionate to the vividness and tangibility of its devil.”
Hoffer recounts that before the “Final Solution,” “when Hitler was asked whether he thought the Jew must be destroyed, he demurred, “We should have then to invent him. It is essential to have a tangible enemy, not merely an abstract one.”
Hoffer continued with the story of “a Japanese mission that arrived in Berlin in 1932 to study the National Socialist movement.” Journalist Frederick Voigt asked “a member of the mission what he thought of the movement. The visiting delegate replied, ‘It is magnificent. I wish we could have something like it in Japan, only we can’t, because we haven’t got any Jews.’”
Hoffer found, “It is perhaps true that the insight and shrewdness of the men who know how to set a mass movement in motion, or how to keep one going, manifest themselves as much in knowing how to pick a worthy enemy as in knowing what doctrine to embrace and what program to adopt.”
Nazis argued that Jews were vermin that spread disease. If you thought that most Germans saw through the propaganda and merely went along because they were intimidated, you would be wrong. German doctors claimed, “that Jews were especially responsible for outbreaks of typhus.” They “published essays claiming that Jewish people’s supposedly ‘low cultural level’ and ‘uncleanliness’ were to blame.”
Yesterday’s “low cultural level” has morphed into labeling the unvaccinated and those not in step with Covid policy as “anti-science,” who manifest villainous disregard for the safety of others.
After the invasion of Poland, “German public health officials…repeatedly urged occupation authorities to isolate Jews further from the rest of the population and deny them access to medicine.”
Anti-Semitism was not required to support the Nazis. In my essay, Safety is Found in Principles, Not Lies I tell this story:
In his book They Thought They Were Free, (Milton) Mayer tells the story of how ordinary Germans—“we little people” as they referred to themselves—became Nazis. Mayer befriended these former Nazis and also examined the historical record to verify their stories.
Consider policeman Willy Hofmeister. Mayer relates the story of how in 1938, Hofmeister was assigned the job of rounding up Jewish males “for their own protection.” Hofmeister was no Nazi thug; he was polite and respectful as he carried out his officious but deadly deeds.
As Hofmeister was taking into custody one Jewish man, he recalled being asked why the town synagogue was blown up that day. He answered, “They blew it up as a safety measure.”
Today, medical professionals are being terminated as a safety measure. No doubt, some readers will be outraged by this historical comparison. Willy Hoffmeister was not aware of his mental blinders; similarly blinders block awareness of many today.
Of course, not all policymakers advocating mandates have totalitarian goals, yet their good intentions don’t matter. Illiberal means will lead to destructive ends.
In the face of widespread illiberalism, if we are resigned to thinking there is little we can do, we will get the politicians we deserve. Yet, there is much we can do; understanding psychological freedom undoes the error of projection.
Watch Your Fear Response
Fear drives the primitive part of the brain, the amygdala. In his book, The Fundamentalist Mind, Steven Larsen writes, “If you wish to induce a state of compliance in your would-be-constituency it is clearly an advantage to frighten them. First, induce the amygdaloid fear response and then offer them a loaded choice: be saved or be damned.” To deploy coercive power totalitarians need your fear.
Take Back Your Projections
Hoffer explained how totalitarians use “a sense of grievance” to drive people to submit to authority. Grievances will arise in your mind, but you don’t need to hold on to them. Totalitarians can only exploit the hate in your mind that you cultivate. For a moment, forget about more significant societal issues and get personal: Take back your personal projections. Learn from Larry David’s mistake. If you remain unaware of your projections, politicians will exploit your grievances.
Don’t Intellectually Bully People
No matter what side of an issue you are on, don’t make arguments that begin with “There is no other way,” “All sensible people know,” and the like.
Larry Cosme, the president of the nonpartisan and pro-vax Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association offered this guidance: “[Biden’s] executive order villainizes employees for reasonable concerns and hesitancies and inserts the federal government into individual medical decisions. People should not be made to feel uncomfortable for making a reasonable medical choice.”
See The Humanity in Others
As Hoffer explained, when we don’t see the humanity in others, we provide oxygen to authoritarians. Oppose authoritarianism by seeing the humanity in everyone you meet.
The Vienna-born philosopher Martin Buber fled Germany after Hitler came to power. In his best-known work, I and Thou, Buber observed that we see the world in one of two fundamental ways: “I-Thou” or “I-It.” Seeing others as important as one’s self is the “I-Thou” way. Through the “I-It” lens, others are seen as lesser objects who help us or are obstacles that get in our way.
Watch your mind as you “I-It” your way through the day. The supermarket clerk who moves slower than you would like, the customer service representative not solving your problem, the driver who cuts you off on the highway; watch how your mind turns them into “its.” Awareness of your thinking patterns helps you make different choices.
Take Responsibility
Hoffer wrote, “There is no telling to what extremes of cruelty and ruthlessness a man will go when he is freed from the fears, hesitations, doubts and the vague stirrings of decency that go with individual judgment.” Hoffer continued,
“When we lose our individual independence in the corporateness of a mass movement, we find a new freedom—freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder and betray without shame and remorse. Herein undoubtedly lies part of the attractiveness of a mass movement. We find there the “right to dishonour,” which according to Dostoyevsky has an irresistible fascination.”
Hoffer taught there are high personal and societal costs when individuals renounce personal responsibility.
Respect the Extended Order
In his book The Fatal Conceit, Friedrich Hayek explored the extended order, an order that is the product of voluntary, human cooperation and not a designed order based on coercion. Hayek wrote, “Our civilization depends, not only for its origin but also for its preservation, on what can be precisely described only as the extended order of human cooperation, an order more commonly, if somewhat misleadingly, known as capitalism.”
Jonah Goldberg has observed, “The market system is so good at getting people—from all over the world—to work together that we barely notice how much we’re cooperating.”
The residents of Upstate New York now have fewer medical options. They are noticing the impact of less human cooperation, as controls undermine the rights of individuals to make personal medical decisions.
Most of us would perish without the extended order; the few survivors would revert to a primitive existence. Today, notice how much you depend on human cooperation for fully stocked supermarkets, UPS and FedEx deliveries, the internet, electricity, and on and on.
Totalitarians reduce human cooperation. Don’t be a cheerleader for their illiberal schemes. Cultivate your psychological freedom to be less susceptible to totalitarian propaganda. As human cooperation decreases and hatred increases, you too, not just the people the mandates are directed against, will suffer. The oxygen of capitalism is cooperation. The oxygen of totalitarians is hatred for differences.
 

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Most people have never heard of the Holodomor let alone understand it’s ramifications if such thing were tried here. Especially those with the “government would never hurt me” mindset.


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Historical ignorance, it would seem, is bliss.
 
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